atw: Re: Dear, Sir or ,Madam
- From: Bob Trussler <bob.trussler@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:33:22 +1000
Dear Graeme,
The Centrelink documents that you mention use a vocabulary that simplifies
the English.
Examples that come to mind are:
whom is out and who is in
a phrase like 'issue the client an advice' is out and replaced by 'send the
customer a letter'
utilise is out, use is in
It may be a version of globish.
yours sincerely,
Bob T
On 9 August 2010 18:37, Graeme Foster <gfs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Dear, dear. Oh, dear. Or something. Hey Y'all.
>
> How about the approach of To (Fred Smith). This clarifies exactly to whom
> the item is addressed - an issue with written communications. If you don't
> know or don't care - just start. Why dear, dearest, beloved yada? No
> benefit, all risk of offending. If you do elect for salutation, perhaps
> avoid 'Dear Graeme Foster', or Dear Foster, or Dear Graeme John, or or Dear
> Foster, or (today's fave!) Dear Gram Forst (wow, all in the mail today!), or
> as I once received, Dear 2364 (I don't mind being a number, but I must be
> number one). Use common sense. It beggars belief that I still get letters
> from lawyers addressed "Dear Madam'. One presumes that the problem is worse
> for women (Dear Sir/Dear Sirs or worsterest Dear Madam). That surely has to
> be a $37m offence.
>
> Using 'To ......' avoids Dear ..., dearest..., my beloved..., my esteemed
> correspondent... blah. 'Hi' seems ok in these informal but insincere times
> (Dear Kevin, Dearest Julia). They all have their places, but use them only
> if you know what the conventions are, and you are reasonably sure your
> correspondents know them. I bridle a bit at 'Hey' in a formal business
> communication but!
>
> The war of language has entered a new and dire phase. We are drowning on
> the beaches. Gowers (Mr Plain Words) didn't know he existed - try to
> understand any curriculum document, or (God help you) any Centrelink
> document (Clear? ummm Complete? ummmm. Concise? Well, probably, but once
> they go over a few hundred pages they sometimes remove all formatting and
> spaces to 'save paper'. Only a cynic like me would say to make it harder to
> deal with the issue on the customer's part. Correct? Well, only if it suits
> us, and not if we can embarass or harass you). The war of Plain English is
> over - it was lost. Read Don Watson's books. I didn't think much of his
> thesis, but look at the multiplicity of examples he gives. That is our brave
> new world, moving forward.
>
> Cheers, honeybunses
>
> Gra Gra
>
> (One apologises for the offence given in advance - no correspondence
> entered into. Do not pass Go, go directly to the vilification authorities).
>
>
> On 03/08/2010, at 3:08 PM, FreeLists Mailing List Manager wrote:
>
> > austechwriter Digest Mon, 02 Aug 2010 Volume: 08 Issue: 179
> >
> > In This Issue:
> > Re: Literature Review: Serif or Sans Serif Typefaces?
> > Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Re: Literature Review: Serif or Sans Serif Typefaces?
> > Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > OT - Sydney launch - Zero Carbon Australia Stationary
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> > Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Re: OT - Sydney launch - Zero Carbon Australia Stationary
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> > Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > How to choose a typeface
> > Re: How to choose a typeface
> > Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > From: rh <zut@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Literature Review: Serif or Sans Serif Typefaces?
> > Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2010 11:12:35 +0200
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> > Thanks for adding some refreshing clarity to this hoary old topic. I
> would like to comment a point you made:
> > « There still seem to be be swathes of (particularly) US writers who
> have latched onto "the beer and naked women" roles of particular fonts, and
> keep missing the point. Of course, in extreme cases, it's obvious that if
> you have extreme difficulty in reading something, you won't understand it
> very well. But that's at the extremity, and deals with exceptions, not more
> general experience. »
> >
> > A very large proportion of the readers of the English language manuals I
> write are not native English speakers. For them, it does not take an extreme
> case of typographic un-clarity to disturb their understanding of a text.
> Already the English words used can have various shades of meaning, and
> technical vocabulary does not translate directly between languages.
> >
> > A recent example in a manual I was updating had this phrase:
> > « They have a turned transformer »
> > The NESB (non English speaking background) technicians asked « What is a
> tumed transformer ? », because the font used put the « r » too close to
> the « n » and it looked like an « m ». In fact, it should have been « a
> tuned transformer ». A technician is obviously familiar with that term, but
> an NESB technician will have to wonder if « tumed » is one of the many
> foreign words he or she does not know.
> >
> > Put one or two more little anomalies like this on the page being read by
> an NESB person on a steamy Friday afternoon after a generous lunch, and the
> measure of comprehension will plummet. I certainly agree in general with
> what you are saying, but what is « extreme » in some circumstances is
> quite ordinary in others.
> >
> > I admire your use of analogy in explaining the concepts, it's not easy to
> strike the right balance between subjective humour and universal relevance.
> I think « the beer and naked women » label should become an industry
> standard term to differentiate between the visual experience of a typeface
> and its effect on comprehension.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Reg HARDMAN
> > Rédacteur technique
> > Paris
> >
> >> Let me put this another way...
> > ...
> >>
> >> <And a Hi! and cheerio to all those out there who've been here
> before...>
> >>
> >> -Peter M
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 03:33:51 +1000
> > Subject: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > From: Bob Trussler <bob.trussler@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Is there a standard for the salutation in an email like there is for a
> > letter?
> > Many emails I receive start with Hi or Hey. This seems to apply to many
> > formal emails, and not only my teenage children.
> > Some emails have no salutation at all.
> >
> > Have the days of
> > Dear Pat, ................ yours sincerly
> > and
> > Dear Sir, .................... yours faithfully
> > now gone forever?
> >
> > The Style Manual refers to letters with Dear Sir and so on, but makes no
> > mention of emails.
> >
> > yours faithfully,
> >
> > Bob Trussler
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Lana Brindley <lanabrindley@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 06:55:17 +1000
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> > I work in a fairly informal environment, so possibly I'm not the best
> person
> > to comment. For what it's worth though, here's what I do:
> >
> > If it's addressed to a single person, and I know their name: Hi Tom (less
> > formal) or Dear Tom (more formal)
> > If it's addressed to more than one person: Hi everyone (less formal) or
> > Hello (more formal) or Hi all (very casual)
> > If it's addressed to a mailing list, or to a an "admin@" or "support@"
> type
> > email address: Hi (in all circumstances)
> >
> > Pet hate: When the email is addressed to "admin@" and the email starts
> > "Hello Admin". Please acknowledge that there are real people behind those
> > email addresses, not faceless "admin" (or "support") drones.
> >
> > I can also understand the use of "Dear Mr Jones" or whatever too, and I
> > would use it where appropriate. Our company is one of those
> first-names-only
> > sort, though, so I don't get much occasion to trot out the Misters and
> > Misses (which brings me to another point about assuming gender. But
> that's a
> > rant for another day).
> >
> > L
> >
> > On 3 August 2010 03:33, Bob Trussler <bob.trussler@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Sir/Madam,
> >> Is there a standard for the salutation in an email like there is for a
> >> letter?
> >>
> >> Many emails I receive start with Hi or Hey. This seems to apply to many
> >> formal emails, and not only my teenage children.
> >> Some emails have no salutation at all.
> >>
> >> Have the days of
> >> Dear Pat, ................ yours sincerly
> >> and
> >> Dear Sir, .................... yours faithfully
> >> now gone forever?
> >>
> >> The Style Manual refers to letters with Dear Sir and so on, but makes no
> >> mention of emails.
> >>
> >> yours faithfully,
> >>
> >> Bob Trussler
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers! Lana
> >
> >
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > http://lanabrindley.blogspot.com
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Please avoid sending me Word, Powerpoint or Windows Media attachments.
> >
> > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more
> > information.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: "Suzy Davis" <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 08:45:18 +1000
> >
> > Hey Bob
> > Any email that begins with "Dear" is immediately in the category of spam
> > until it proves itself to be otherwise J And it may not get that chance.
> >
> >
> >
> > If I am sending an email to someone I don't know; I will use Hi (name),
> and
> > Hello if it's a team or more than one.
> >
> >
> >
> > My second line will be where I will identify who I am and how I got their
> > name and specify why I am contacting them, and apologise for interrupting
> > their day if necessary..
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards Suzy
> >
> >
> >
> > Suzy Davis
> > Microsoft Word Templates
> >
> > & Documentation Projects
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:04:28 +1000 (EST)
> > From: Peter G Martin <peterm_5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Literature Review: Serif or Sans Serif Typefaces?
> >
> > Reg:
> >
> > Valid point... and an example of the kind of issue that arises in the
> assessment of use of serifs etc and their effect on comprehension.
> >
> > In a case like this, there's clearly an understanding and comprehension
> problem. Work back from that (as you clearly did) and you find its causes
> lie in font characteristics.
> >
> > That procedure is clearly valid, and useful.
> >
> > Less likely to be valid, and more likely to be a waste of time, is the
> analysis of issues to do with font formats ("readability" or "legibility")
> followed by generalised conclusions that they must affect comprehension, or
> that they automatically support a preference of one font style over another.
> >
> > For a start, the latter approach ignores the amazing ability of the human
> brain to handle visual ambiguities in the everyday world.
> >
> > More importantly, that approach also involves a logical fallacy: we just
> don't know small font variations affect comprehension until we test the
> comprehension!
> >
> > You had a classic comprehension test... and worked back to its cause.
> That's logical.
> >
> > -Peter M
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rh" <zut@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, 2 August, 2010 7:12:35 PM GMT +10:00 Canberra / Melbourne /
> Sydney
> > Subject: atw: Re: Literature Review: Serif or Sans Serif Typefaces?
> >
> > Hi Peter,
> > Thanks for adding some refreshing clarity to this hoary old topic. I
> would like to comment a point you made:
> > « There still seem to be be swathes of (particularly) US writers who
> have latched onto "the beer and naked women" roles of particular fonts, and
> keep missing the point. Of course, in extreme cases, it's obvious that if
> you have extreme difficulty in reading something, you won't understand it
> very well. But that's at the extremity, and deals with exceptions, not more
> general experience. »
> >
> > A very large proportion of the readers of the English language manuals I
> write are not native English speakers. For them, it does not take an extreme
> case of typographic un-clarity to disturb their understanding of a text.
> Already the English words used can have various shades of meaning, and
> technical vocabulary does not translate directly between languages.
> >
> > A recent example in a manual I was updating had this phrase:
> > « They have a turned transformer »
> > The NESB (non English speaking background) technicians asked « What is a
> tumed transformer ? », because the font used put the « r » too close to
> the « n » and it looked like an « m ». In fact, it should have been « a
> tuned transformer ». A technician is obviously familiar with that term, but
> an NESB technician will have to wonder if « tumed » is one of the many
> foreign words he or she does not know.
> >
> > Put one or two more little anomalies like this on the page being read by
> an NESB person on a steamy Friday afternoon after a generous lunch, and the
> measure of comprehension will plummet. I certainly agree in general with
> what you are saying, but what is « extreme » in some circumstances is
> quite ordinary in others.
> >
> > I admire your use of analogy in explaining the concepts, it's not easy to
> strike the right balance between subjective humour and universal relevance.
> I think « the beer and naked women » label should become an industry
> standard term to differentiate between the visual experience of a typeface
> and its effect on comprehension.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Reg HARDMAN
> > Rédacteur technique
> > Paris
> >
> >> Let me put this another way...
> > ....
> >>
> >> <And a Hi! and cheerio to all those out there who've been here
> before...>
> >>
> >> -Peter M
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:20:00 +1000
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > From: Howard Silcock <howard.silcock@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Ahoy Suzy
> >> Hey Bob
> >
> >> ...
> >
> >> If I am sending an email to someone I don‚t know; I will use Hi (name),
> > and Hello if it‚s a team or more than one.
> >
> > Do we assume, then, that you do know Bob and that this is another style
> that
> > you use for people you know?
> >
> > Howard
> >
> >
> > On 3 August 2010 08:45, Suzy Davis <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Hey Bob
> >>
> >> Any email that begins with „Dear‰ is immediately in the category of spam
> >> until it proves itself to be otherwise J And it may not get that
> chance.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If I am sending an email to someone I don‚t know; I will use Hi (name),
> and
> >> Hello if it‚s a team or more than one.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My second line will be where I will identify who I am and how I got
> their
> >> name and specify why I am contacting them, and apologise for
> interrupting
> >> their day if necessary..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards Suzy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Suzy Davis *
> >> *Microsoft Word Templates*
> >>
> >> *& Documentation Projects *
> >>
> >> *Create Space *
> >> PO Box 404
> >>
> >> Brighton VIC 3186
> >>
> >> Australia
> >>
> >> *Direct* +61 3 9593 6568
> >>
> >> *Mobile* +61 433 489 989
> >>
> >> *Email* suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> *Email* suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> *Website* www.appsforoffice.com
> >>
> >> *Facebook *: Apps for Office<
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apps-for-Office/136256423063414>
> >> **
> >>
> >> *Twitter* AppsForOffice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Lana Brindley <lanabrindley@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 10:27:47 +1000
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> > I think the definition of "know" is getting very blurry in these
> connected
> > times! I work with engineers on the other side of the world that I have
> > never physically met, but that I know very well. In a similar vein, the
> fact
> > that we are all on this list, have contributed to discussions, and read
> and
> > enjoyed posts by each other give us a level of "knowing" each other, even
> > though we have never (and, in some cases, may never) actually shake
> hands.
> > Mailing lists are strange beasts, in that they provide both a sense of
> > anonymity, yet create a community where none previously existed.
> >
> > L
> >
> > On 3 August 2010 10:20, Howard Silcock <howard.silcock@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> >> Ahoy Suzy
> >>
> >>> Hey Bob
> >>
> >>> ...
> >>
> >>> If I am sending an email to someone I don‚t know; I will use Hi (name),
> >> and Hello if it‚s a team or more than one.
> >>
> >> Do we assume, then, that you do know Bob and that this is another style
> >> that you use for people you know?
> >>
> >> Howard
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3 August 2010 08:45, Suzy Davis <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hey Bob
> >>>
> >>> Any email that begins with „Dear‰ is immediately in the category of
> spam
> >>> until it proves itself to be otherwise J And it may not get that
> chance.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> If I am sending an email to someone I don‚t know; I will use Hi (name),
> >>> and Hello if it‚s a team or more than one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My second line will be where I will identify who I am and how I got
> their
> >>> name and specify why I am contacting them, and apologise for
> interrupting
> >>> their day if necessary..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards Suzy
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Suzy Davis *
> >>> *Microsoft Word Templates*
> >>>
> >>> *& Documentation Projects *
> >>>
> >>> *Create Space *
> >>>
> >>> PO Box 404
> >>>
> >>> Brighton VIC 3186
> >>>
> >>> Australia
> >>>
> >>> *Direct* +61 3 9593 6568
> >>>
> >>> *Mobile* +61 433 489 989
> >>>
> >>> *Email* suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>> *Email* suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>
> >>> *Website* www.appsforoffice.com
> >>>
> >>> *Facebook *: Apps for Office<
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apps-for-Office/136256423063414>
> >>> **
> >>>
> >>> *Twitter* AppsForOffice
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Cheers! Lana
> >
> > Quarrel? Nonsense; we have not quarreled. If one is not to get into a
> rage
> > sometimes, what is the good of being friends?
> > - George Eliot
> >
> > -----------------------------------------------
> > http://lanabrindley.blogspot.com
> > -----------------------------------------------
> >
> > Please avoid sending me Word, Powerpoint or Windows Media attachments.
> >
> > See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for more
> > information.
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
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> >
> > From: "Suzy Davis" <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 11:07:30 +1000
> >
> > I notice with my prospects that I am in discussions with will use Hey, or
> > Hiya, or even G'day - to denote some level of familiarity with me.
> >
> >
> > I would say that you can assume that Bob and I know of each other.
> >
> >
> >
> > But it is very subjective.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think the use of "Hi (name)" follows the same rule for the use of
> "Yours
> > sincerely" (if you have an established relationship with them, or "Yours
> > faithfully" if you don't.
> >
> >
> >
> > So I don't 'know' you Bob, except through this list - but that is enough
> to
> > place us in a known relationship, and in my world, use "Hi", or "Hey" - I
> > would normally use "Hi" unless we had chatted a bit.
> >
> >
> >
> > The use of "Hey ..." when no relationship exists, tends to imply to much
> > intimacy - and is likely to be used inappropriately by an inexperienced
> > sales person - but then it would no doubt be accepted without resistance
> by
> > younger people.
> >
> >
> >
> > But young people (under 35) may have a different set of rules - and lets
> > face it, they are leading the way in social networking.
> >
> >
> >
> > NOTE - I have not really investigated or thought about this in any formal
> > sense. Just exploring.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards Suzy
> >
> > Suzy Davis
> > Microsoft Word Templates
> >
> > & Documentation Projects
> >
> > Create Space
> > PO Box 404
> > Brighton VIC 3186
> >
> > Australia
> > Direct +61 3 9593 6568
> > Mobile +61 433 489 989
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Website www.appsforoffice.com
> >
> > Facebook : <
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apps-for-Office/136256423063414>
> > Apps for Office
> >
> > Twitter AppsForOffice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Howard Silcock
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 10:20 AM
> > To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: atw: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> >
> >
> > Ahoy Suzy
> >
> >> Hey Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >> ...
> >
> >
> >
> >> If I am sending an email to someone I don't know; I will use Hi (name),
> > and Hello if it's a team or more than one.
> >
> > Do we assume, then, that you do know Bob and that this is another style
> that
> > you use for people you know?
> >
> >
> >
> > Howard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3 August 2010 08:45, Suzy Davis <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Bob
> >
> > Any email that begins with "Dear" is immediately in the category of spam
> > until it proves itself to be otherwise J And it may not get that chance.
> >
> >
> >
> > If I am sending an email to someone I don't know; I will use Hi (name),
> and
> > Hello if it's a team or more than one.
> >
> >
> >
> > My second line will be where I will identify who I am and how I got their
> > name and specify why I am contacting them, and apologise for interrupting
> > their day if necessary..
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards Suzy
> >
> >
> >
> > Suzy Davis
> >
> > Microsoft Word Templates
> >
> > & Documentation Projects
> >
> >
> >
> > Create Space
> >
> > PO Box 404
> >
> > Brighton VIC 3186
> >
> > Australia
> >
> > Direct +61 3 9593 6568
> >
> > Mobile +61 433 489 989
> >
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:28:44 +1000 (EST)
> > From: Peter G Martin <peterm_5@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: OT - Sydney launch - Zero Carbon Australia Stationary
> >
> >
> > Featuring:
> >
> > Bob Carr - Former NSW Premier
> >
> > Malcolm Turnbull - Federal MP
> >
> > Matthew Wright - Executive Director Beyond Zero Emissions
> >
> > Allan Jones - City of Sydney <= And here I was thinking he only
> owned a big chunk of
> > a radio station. Who elected him?
> Naa.. maybe he's royalty!
> >
> > MC - Quentin Dempster - ABC TV
> >
> > -Peter M
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:39:36 +1000
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > From: Howard Silcock <howard.silcock@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Hi all [is this OK for people on the list?]
> > I notice that this discussion has made me more than usually
> self-conscious
> > in the emails I've been sending today!
> >
> > At the moment I'm having to send emails to a few quite senior people that
> > I've never met and I find myself wondering: Should I say 'Dear' or 'Hi'?
> > Should I use their first names or 'Mr [or Ms] xxx'? Should I put
> 'Regards'
> > or 'See ya'?
> >
> > Maybe sometimes we shouldn't think too much about these things...
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > P.S. Another concern that I'm sure troubles no one else but me is that I
> > think we should really write 'Hi, Fred' (with a comma) rather than just
> 'Hi
> > Fred'. No one ever does, but it seems to make more sense grammatically.
> The
> > 'Dear' in 'Dear Fred' is an adjective modifying the name, but 'Hi' isn't
> an
> > adjective and doesn't modify anything, so it seems to me we should
> > punctuate the phrase with a comma, as we would with 'Come here, Fred' or
> > "good on ya, Fred'.
> >
> >
> > On 3 August 2010 11:07, Suzy Davis <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I notice with my prospects that I am in discussions with will use Hey,
> or
> >> Hiya, or even G‚day ˆ to denote some level of familiarity with me.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I would say that you can assume that Bob and I *know of* each other.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But it is very subjective.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I think the use of „Hi (name)‰ follows the same rule for the use of
> „Yours
> >> sincerely‰ (if you have an established relationship with them, or „Yours
> >> faithfully‰ if you don‚t.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> So I don‚t Œknow‚ you Bob, except through this list ˆ but that is enough
> to
> >> place us in a known relationship, and in my world, use „Hi‰, or „Hey‰ ˆ
> I
> >> would normally use „Hi‰ unless we had chatted a bit.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The use of „Hey ...‰ when no relationship exists, tends to imply to much
> >> intimacy ˆ and is likely to be used inappropriately by an inexperienced
> >> sales person ˆ but then it would no doubt be accepted without resistance
> by
> >> younger people.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> But young people (under 35) may have a different set of rules ˆ and lets
> >> face it, they are leading the way in social networking.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> NOTE ˆ I have not really investigated or thought about this in any
> formal
> >> sense. Just exploring.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards Suzy
> >>
> >> *Suzy Davis *
> >> *Microsoft Word Templates*
> >>
> >> *& Documentation Projects *
> >>
> >> *Create Space *
> >> PO Box 404
> >> Brighton VIC 3186
> >>
> >> Australia
> >> *Direct* +61 3 9593 6568
> >> *Mobile* +61 433 489 989
> >> *Email* suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> *Email* suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> *Website* www.appsforoffice.com
> >>
> >> *Facebook *: Apps for Office<
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apps-for-Office/136256423063414>
> >> **
> >>
> >> *Twitter* AppsForOffice
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> >> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] *On Behalf Of *Howard Silcock
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 August 2010 10:20 AM
> >> *To:* austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> *Subject:* atw: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ahoy Suzy
> >>
> >>> Hey Bob
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> ...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> If I am sending an email to someone I don‚t know; I will use Hi (name),
> >> and Hello if it‚s a team or more than one.
> >>
> >> Do we assume, then, that you do know Bob and that this is another style
> >> that you use for people you know?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Howard
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 3 August 2010 08:45, Suzy Davis <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Bob
> >>
> >> Any email that begins with „Dear‰ is immediately in the category of spam
> >> until it proves itself to be otherwise J And it may not get that
> chance.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> If I am sending an email to someone I don‚t know; I will use Hi (name),
> and
> >> Hello if it‚s a team or more than one.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My second line will be where I will identify who I am and how I got
> their
> >> name and specify why I am contacting them, and apologise for
> interrupting
> >> their day if necessary..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards Suzy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Suzy Davis *
> >>
> >> *Microsoft Word Templates*
> >>
> >> *& Documentation Projects *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *Create Space *
> >>
> >> PO Box 404
> >>
> >> Brighton VIC 3186
> >>
> >> Australia
> >>
> >> *Direct* +61 3 9593 6568
> >>
> >> *Mobile* +61 433 489 989
> >>
> >> *Email* suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> *Email* suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> *Website* www.appsforoffice.com
> >>
> >> *Facebook *: Apps for Office<
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apps-for-Office/136256423063414>
> >>
> >> *Twitter* AppsForOffice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Amanda Cat <amandacat22@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 03:45:13 +0000
> >
> > I concur, Howard. I always use a comma after "Hi" followed by <name>.
> >
> >
> >
> > I was taught that, whenever addressing a person directly, always offset
> with a comma.
> >
> >
> >
> > People at my work have commented on it and asked why I do it. Out comes
> the grammar lessons.... ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > Amanda
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:39:36 +1000
> > Subject: atw: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > From: howard.silcock@xxxxxxxxx
> > To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >
> > Hi all [is this OK for people on the list?]
> >
> > I notice that this discussion has made me more than usually
> self-conscious in the emails I've been sending today!
> >
> > At the moment I'm having to send emails to a few quite senior people that
> I've never met and I find myself wondering: Should I say 'Dear' or 'Hi'?
> Should I use their first names or 'Mr [or Ms] xxx'? Should I put 'Regards'
> or 'See ya'?
> >
> > Maybe sometimes we shouldn't think too much about these things...
> >
> > Howard
> >
> > P.S. Another concern that I'm sure troubles no one else but me is that I
> think we should really write 'Hi, Fred' (with a comma) rather than just 'Hi
> Fred'. No one ever does, but it seems to make more sense grammatically. The
> 'Dear' in 'Dear Fred' is an adjective modifying the name, but 'Hi' isn't an
> adjective and doesn't modify anything, so it seems to me we should punctuate
> the phrase with a comma, as we would with 'Come here, Fred' or "good on ya,
> Fred'.
> >
> >
> > On 3 August 2010 11:07, Suzy Davis <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I notice with my prospects that I am in discussions with will use Hey, or
> Hiya, or even G‚day ˆ to denote some level of familiarity with me.
> >
> > I would say that you can assume that Bob and I know of each other.
> >
> > But it is very subjective.
> >
> > I think the use of „Hi (name)‰ follows the same rule for the use of
> „Yours sincerely‰ (if you have an established relationship with them, or
> „Yours faithfully‰ if you don‚t.
> >
> > So I don‚t Œknow‚ you Bob, except through this list ˆ but that is enough
> to place us in a known relationship, and in my world, use „Hi‰, or „Hey‰ ˆ I
> would normally use „Hi‰ unless we had chatted a bit.
> >
> > The use of „Hey ...‰ when no relationship exists, tends to imply to much
> intimacy ˆ and is likely to be used inappropriately by an inexperienced
> sales person ˆ but then it would no doubt be accepted without resistance by
> younger people.
> >
> > But young people (under 35) may have a different set of rules ˆ and lets
> face it, they are leading the way in social networking.
> >
> > NOTE ˆ I have not really investigated or thought about this in any formal
> sense. Just exploring.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards Suzy
> > Suzy Davis
> > Microsoft Word Templates
> > & Documentation Projects
> >
> > Create Space
> > PO Box 404
> > Brighton VIC 3186
> > Australia
> > Direct +61 3 9593 6568
> > Mobile +61 433 489 989
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Website www.appsforoffice.com
> > Facebook : Apps for Office
> > Twitter AppsForOffice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Howard Silcock
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 10:20 AM
> > To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: atw: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> >
> > Ahoy Suzy
> >
> >
> >> Hey Bob
> >
> >
> >
> >> ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> If I am sending an email to someone I don‚t know; I will use Hi (name),
> and Hello if it‚s a team or more than one.
> >
> > Do we assume, then, that you do know Bob and that this is another style
> that you use for people you know?
> >
> >
> >
> > Howard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 3 August 2010 08:45, Suzy Davis <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey Bob
> > Any email that begins with „Dear‰ is immediately in the category of spam
> until it proves itself to be otherwise J And it may not get that chance.
> >
> > If I am sending an email to someone I don‚t know; I will use Hi (name),
> and Hello if it‚s a team or more than one.
> >
> > My second line will be where I will identify who I am and how I got their
> name and specify why I am contacting them, and apologise for interrupting
> their day if necessary..
> >
> > Regards Suzy
> >
> > Suzy Davis
> > Microsoft Word Templates
> > & Documentation Projects
> >
> >
> > Create Space
> >
> > PO Box 404
> > Brighton VIC 3186
> > Australia
> > Direct +61 3 9593 6568
> > Mobile +61 433 489 989
> >
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Website www.appsforoffice.com
> >
> > Facebook : Apps for Office
> > Twitter AppsForOffice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: LIVERANI Petra <Petra_LIVERANI@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:47:35 +1000
> > Subject: OT - Sydney launch - Zero Carbon Australia Stationary Energy
> Pla
> >
> > It's Allan Jones of City of Woking fame, not that other Alan Jones.
> >
> > Petra Liverani
> > Technical Writer / UX Designer
> > petra_liverani@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Transport Management Centre
> > RTA
> > 25 Garden St, Eveleigh NSW 2015 | PO Box 1625, Strawberry Hills NSW
> 2012
> > P: 8396 1617 | F: 8396 7950
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Peter G Martin
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 1:29 PM
> > To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: atw: Re: OT - Sydney launch - Zero Carbon Australia Stationary
> Energy Plan - that Jones ?
> >
> >
> > Featuring:
> >
> > Bob Carr - Former NSW Premier
> >
> > Malcolm Turnbull - Federal MP
> >
> > Matthew Wright - Executive Director Beyond Zero Emissions
> >
> > Allan Jones - City of Sydney <= And here I was thinking he only
> owned a big chunk of
> > a radio station. Who elected him?
> Naa.. maybe he's royalty!
> >
> > MC - Quentin Dempster - ABC TV
> >
> > -Peter M
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: "Suzy Davis" <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:03:53 +1000
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> >
> > Wow - that's never occurred to me - to write
> >
> > Hi, Jane
> >
> >
> >
> > I would write "Dear Jane,", "Hi Jane" but never "Hi, Jane"
> >
> >
> >
> > I understand the grammatical pause - but I'm not sure that I would want
> it -
> > maybe "Hi Jane," ...
> >
> >
> >
> > It's not in common use in Australia as far I am aware.
> >
> >
> >
> > Where are yous, Howard and Amanda, located? J
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards Suzy
> >
> >
> >
> > Suzy Davis
> > Microsoft Word Templates
> >
> > & Documentation Projects
> >
> > Create Space
> > PO Box 404
> > Brighton VIC 3186
> >
> > Australia
> > Direct +61 3 9593 6568
> > Mobile +61 433 489 989
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Website www.appsforoffice.com
> >
> > Facebook : <
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apps-for-Office/136256423063414>
> > Apps for Office
> >
> > Twitter AppsForOffice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amanda Cat
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 1:45 PM
> > To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: atw: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> >
> >
> > I concur, Howard. I always use a comma after "Hi" followed by <name>.
> >
> > I was taught that, whenever addressing a person directly, always offset
> with
> > a comma.
> >
> > People at my work have commented on it and asked why I do it. Out comes
> the
> > grammar lessons.... ;)
> >
> > Amanda
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Amanda Cat <amandacat22@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 04:21:50 +0000
> >
> >> Where are yous, Howard and Amanda, located? J
> >
> >
> >
> > Sunny (hahaha) Melbourne.
> >
> >
> >
> > I went and took grammar classes after high school to learn what they
> didn't teach me in high school and that's how I was taught. Always use a
> comma when directly addressing someone/something. It doesn't matter whether
> the direct address is at the beginning or end of the sentence - it must* be
> offset.
> >
> >
> >
> > I think, having a quick scour of the interwebs, that many teachers don't
> seem to teach this anymore. There are some very passionate people out there
> lamenting its loss!
> >
> >
> >
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> > Amanda
> >
> >
> > * Yes, I say 'must', but it's a changin' world....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: atw: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 14:03:53 +1000
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > Wow ˆ that‚s never occurred to me ˆ to write
> > Hi, Jane
> >
> > I would write „Dear Jane,‰, „Hi Jane‰ but never „Hi, Jane‰
> >
> > I understand the grammatical pause ˆ but I‚m not sure that I would want
> it ˆ maybe „Hi Jane,‰ ...
> >
> >
> > It‚s not in common use in Australia as far I am aware.
> >
> > Where are yous, Howard and Amanda, located? J
> >
> > Regards Suzy
> >
> > Suzy Davis
> > Microsoft Word Templates
> > & Documentation Projects
> >
> > Create Space
> > PO Box 404
> > Brighton VIC 3186
> > Australia
> > Direct +61 3 9593 6568
> > Mobile +61 433 489 989
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Website www.appsforoffice.com
> > Facebook : Apps for Office
> > Twitter AppsForOffice
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:
> austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amanda Cat
> > Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 1:45 PM
> > To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: atw: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >
> > I concur, Howard. I always use a comma after "Hi" followed by <name>.
> >
> > I was taught that, whenever addressing a person directly, always offset
> with a comma.
> >
> > People at my work have commented on it and asked why I do it. Out comes
> the grammar lessons.... ;)
> >
> > Amanda
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:44:02 +0800 (WST)
> > From: Stuart Burnfield <slb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: How to choose a typeface
> >
> > Leaving aside those pesky issues of readability, legibility,
> comprehension, etc, here's how you *really* choose a typeface:
> > http://gizmodo.com/5602268/the-perfect-way-to-pick
> > Stuart
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > From: Bill Parker <renew@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: How to choose a typeface
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 12:53:54 +0800
> >
> > Or just Google "The periodic table of typefaces"
> >
> > Bill
> > On 03/08/2010, at 12:44 PM, Stuart Burnfield wrote:
> >
> >> Leaving aside those pesky issues of readability, legibility,
> >> comprehension, etc, here's how you *really* choose a typeface:
> >> http://gizmodo.com/5602268/the-perfect-way-to-pick
> >>
> >> Stuart
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 15:08:11 +1000
> > Subject: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> > From: Howard Silcock <howard.silcock@xxxxxxxxx>
> >
> > Well, I'm in Canberra - but I don't think this is a regional thing. As
> > I said, in practice almost everyone writes 'Hi Fred'. But I can't help
> > thinking about the grammar and how you would parse the sentence. And
> > logically I think the comma is needed. Doesn't mean I'm going to use
> > it in practice, though.
> > Howard
> >
> > On 03/08/2010, Suzy Davis <suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wow - that's never occurred to me - to write
> >>
> >> Hi, Jane
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I would write "Dear Jane,", "Hi Jane" but never "Hi, Jane"
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I understand the grammatical pause - but I'm not sure that I would want
> it -
> >> maybe "Hi Jane," ...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> It's not in common use in Australia as far I am aware.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Where are yous, Howard and Amanda, located? J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards Suzy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Suzy Davis
> >> Microsoft Word Templates
> >>
> >> & Documentation Projects
> >>
> >> Create Space
> >> PO Box 404
> >> Brighton VIC 3186
> >>
> >> Australia
> >> Direct +61 3 9593 6568
> >> Mobile +61 433 489 989
> >> Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Email suzy.davis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Website www.appsforoffice.com
> >>
> >> Facebook : <
> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Apps-for-Office/136256423063414>
> >> Apps for Office
> >>
> >> Twitter AppsForOffice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:austechwriter-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Amanda Cat
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 3 August 2010 1:45 PM
> >> To: austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: atw: Re: Dear Sir/Madam,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I concur, Howard. I always use a comma after "Hi" followed by <name>.
> >>
> >> I was taught that, whenever addressing a person directly, always offset
> with
> >> a comma.
> >>
> >> People at my work have commented on it and asked why I do it. Out comes
> the
> >> grammar lessons.... ;)
> >>
> >> Amanda
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > End of austechwriter Digest V8 #179
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