I note with sadness that an agency (or person pretending they are an agency) is trying to play games with our rates and with the way we charge for our work. Listed on Seek is a technical writer opportunity containing the following (I say 'opportunity' because they don't actually say a job is 'available'): "Technical Writer Our policy is to only employ the most skilled people available. This policy is essential to building an exceptional reputation with our growing list of clients. To be part of our team, you need to be an experienced technical writer, have a grasp of general purpose computing theories and practices, and be able to communicate extremely well. Expect to be tested on your knowledge, experience and skills. You must be able to talk to developers and convert these discussions into superior technical documents, architecture diagrams, reference guides, manuals, how-tos, troubleshooting guides and installation guides. Familiarity with Web/Java applications, Unix shells and DocBook/XML is a must. Along with your CV, please quote an approximate pages-per-day rate and give an example of your work with how long it took. You must be an Australian citizen or permanent resident and live in Melbourne, Australia. To apply, please email your resume to jobs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Agencies need not apply. Replies can not be provided to all applicants. All applications will be treated in the strictest of confidence. " The part that is of main concern is "Along with your CV, please quote an approximate pages-per-day rate and give an example of your work with how long it took." What, are we editors now charging by the page or word? This is a nonsense request as it doesn't take into account peripheral factors such as number of drafts, access to SME, hardware issues, software/tools issues, company policy, template creation needs etc.. But then, what can you expect from a company that doesn't even show a company or contact name in the ad. HotMagma is just an ISP in the US who host the email account. It may as well be JoeBloggs@xxxxxxxxxxxx Clearly this person/company is either new to our profession (although their ad would suggest otherwise) or they are trying to exploit the profession and tie us to output rather than time spent (assuming they are not just trawling for information). Even if the ad is legit and there IS a job available, if you apply for this one, you will only hurt yourself and the profession by quoting page rates because I know from long experience that many technical writers over quote their productivity when doing project estimates and as a result, run over their budgets. They think they create twice the number of pages/day than they really do when creating from the ground up. And don't forget, those desperate for work may also be tempted to over quote just to get the work. Understand that if you go for this job AND you give a pages/day rate, the person/agency will probably hold you to this rate via contract (if a job actually exists), the other agencies will eventually follow suit and that my friends will be the end of the contract part of our profession as we know it. Ask an editor what their hourly rate is based on the realities of charging by the page. Being the cynic that I am though, I personally believe this to be an exercise by someone quoting on a government tender et al who doesn't know how to charge. As a result, this, in my opinion, is probably just a trawling exercise to get industry stats and a list of available TWs willing to work for peanuts. Think about it. The ad is vague, it gives no company or contact name, it doesn't actually say a job is on offer. It is trawling for information only and states "to become part of our team" which to me means you will be on standby until work is available, if in fact it ever is. Good luck. My 0.02 of course. Regards Bruce Ashley PS, Was the list dead yesterday. Or is it just me? ************************************************** To post a message to austechwriter, send the message to austechwriter@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx To subscribe to austechwriter, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "subscribe" in the Subject field. To unsubscribe, send a message to austechwriter-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with "unsubscribe" in the Subject field. To search the austechwriter archives, go to www.freelists.org/archives/austechwriter To contact the list administrator, send a message to austechwriter-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx **************************************************