[asflanet] Re: stratified model of context question

  • From: "David Rose" <dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> ("david.rose")
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  • Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2024 05:18:39 +0000

Doh, now I get it
The slippage is between 1961 and 92 models of lg and context
61...
Lg described as semiotic systems instantiated as text (after Saussure, Firth)
Context modelled as culture instantiated as situation (after Malinowski)
Situation modelled as instantial categories of field, tenor, mode (not 
described as semiotic systems)
92...
Context modelled as semiotic systems instantiated as text (after Hjelmslev)
Text instantiates systems at all strata (no ‘situation’ outside of semiosis)
Doran, Martin, Herrington describe field, tenor, mode systems as ‘resources’
Earlier classification model incorporated as ‘principles’ of instantiation
David

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Date: Wednesday, 20 March 2024 at 10:53 am
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Subject: [asflanet] Re: stratified model of context question
Up until this recently published paper,
the 'gotcha friendly soundbite' has been 'text'.


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On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 10:28, David Rose 
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Not easy to describe realisation and instantiation together in a gotcha 
friendly soundbite...
Genre configures recurrent dynamic couplings of selections in field, tenor, 
mode systems. Cultures assign names to these recurrent configurations...story, 
conversation, argument, ceremony... SFL names them as features in system 
networks. Named features generalise recurrent instances. Features in field, 
tenor, mode systems are of a different order...item, activity, property; 
tender, render...
David

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Fair enough! 😊

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On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 09:53, Yaegan Doran 
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
What name would you propose for an instance of field, tenor and mode, in a 
model that also includes genre?

Yaegan



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So it's not a text, but you don't have a name for it?


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On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 09:47, Yaegan Doran 
<dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:dmarc-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
If we are taking register as the cover term for field, tenor and mode, then an 
instance of register is just an instance of choices from field, tenor and mode. 
And same for genre.

Yaegan

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So what is an instance of register (and of genre) in this paper?


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On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 09:34, Yaegan Doran 
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Hi Chris,

Just clarifying – the paper that David linked has suggested that in relation to 
the terminological confusion you raise, we can draw on the terms ‘register’ and 
‘diatype’ (the latter from Gregory 1967) for the concepts you note. In the 
paper, we use register as a cover term for field, tenor and mode, and diatype 
as the term for the skewing of probabilities of language that arise in relation 
to choices in field, tenor and mode.

So, although this terminology differs somewhat from Halliday’s, what you have 
proposed is not the case for the paper that David linked.

Yaegan

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Dear Asflanetters,

Is it true that, in the stratified model of context,
as potential, register and genre are context not language
but as instance, register and genre are language (text) not context?

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