Hi, thank you all for putting up with a newbie question. I used AygllCMS on my linux (fedora 17) system to profile and calibrate my sony sdm-hs17 monitor wiht an i1pro colorimeter/spectrophotometer. Now, in color managed apps like firefox, GIMP when the color management settings are turend on, or darktable, I get reasonable agreement between how I see images on my color-managed PC. I used the Gary Ballard website to verify that the monitor is in fact being color managed by X windows. So far, all good. Now for what confuses me: if I view the same image in a color managed app versus a non-color-managed app, or if I switch off color management in GIMP, the image is much more saturated and natural looking if color management is disabled. I understand - before I get flamed here- that color management is trying to deliver device-independent uniform appearance of the image, NOT a pretty or high gamut or better looking image. My question is mostly that I don't understand the behavior- why does this happen? It happened TWICE in fact- I was so disgusted with the poorly saturated images on a a newer ACER monitor that I profiled that I switched back to my older sony. Same problem. It looks much like Photoshop looks on the PC when I have the 'desaturate monitor colors by 20%' box ticked. I can kinda force the colors back to what I feel they 'ought to be' by boosting saturation and moving the black point of the levels control up a bit. Can someone explain the behavior to me, and tell me if this is what I ought to expect? thanks! Blil