William Fissell wrote: > Now for what confuses me: if I view the same image in a color managed > app versus a non-color-managed app, or if I switch off color > management in GIMP, the image is much more saturated and natural > looking if color management is disabled. > Can someone explain the behavior to me, and tell me if this is what I > ought to expect? Hi, it's often difficult to track down what's going on, because there are a lot of moving parts. If you can reproduce the same viewing pipeline that the creator of the image used, then in principle you can see what the creator intended, but several things could explain why you see disappointing images. 6 possibilities spring to mind, not all of which are equally probable: 1) Even though the originator has labelled the image with a color profile (and I am assuming this is the case, or it wouldn't be worth talking about), maybe they had a poor profile, or something about their proofing workflow was misconfigured, and they compensated for this by adjusting the image. 2) Perhaps their display profile was accurate and configured correctly, but it didn't allow for their viewing conditions, and the compensated for this with adjustments to the image. 3) Maybe you are using a poor profile, or something about your viewing workflow is misconfigured. 4) Perhaps your display profile is accurate and workflow configured correctly, but your display is adjusted in such a way that it isn't capable of displaying a very good looking image. 5) Perhaps your display profile is accurate and workflow configured correctly and your display is capable of delivering good looking images, but your viewing conditions are not being taken into account or makes it impossible for the display to convey good looking images. 6) Perhaps the whole color management pipeline is working correctly, and the originator of the image intended that it look the way it does. It's hard to know which of these possibilities is more likely without being able to actually see it. From your description, maybe 5), if you have a very bright environment and the display is struggling to compete with it. If so, see if darkening your surround (and possibly dropping the black level to maintain contrast ratio) moves it in the right direction. Graeme Gill.