Epson profiles are generally quite good but I don't use many Epson papers with my 3880. The one Ilford paper I like, Gold Fiber Silk has terrible profiles on their website. Museo's are generally OK but I do better with my own Argyll profiles. Canson likewise. Alan -----Original Message----- From: argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:argyllcms-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of edmund ronald Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:21 PM To: argyllcms@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [argyllcms] Re: Printer profiling: Canon Pixma iP4850 CYMK On Epson Glossy Premium Pro, my Epson 3880 is almost identical in results with Vendor Color mode and in profiled mode, with my own profiles generated by the latest i1Profiler and iSis with 800 patches. Does this mean that I am double profiling, or is Epson now using i1Profiler2 to generate their own profiles? My impression is that the printer manufacturers have a really good grip on sample variation now. Edmund