[aodvv2-discuss] Re: Regarding the discussion about taggingeveryaddress.

  • From: Lotte Steenbrink <lotte.steenbrink@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: aodvv2-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2015 08:41:04 +0200

Hi Charlie,

Am 10.06.2015 um 07:49 schrieb Charlie Perkins <charles.perkins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

Hello John,

Did you read my email analyzing the problem? I go over all the scenarios.

The TLV parser does not have to do any guesswork. The application does that.

Packets over the air cost at least tens of thousands as much energy as
processing packets -- a useful fact about radios, and a reason to minimize
transmission over the air.

It is not my purpose to embitter Stan, who is so mad he is not even
listening. I don't know why. So I can't send anything or discuss anything
with him. All they have to do is say the same thing over and over again and
not provide any counterexamples, and suddenly discussion is off limits,
energy is sapped, etc.


The energy is not “suddenly” sapped, and discussion is not “suddenly” off
limits. We laid out the same arguments many times, and we didn't come to any
new conclusions the last few times we discussed this issue. Your last E-Mail on
the subject didn't contain anything new. I'd rather put my energy into working
towards last call than have the same conversation all over again. I'm with Stan
on this one.

Regards,
Lotte

Thanks for at least having the kindness to respond.

Regards,
Charlie P.




On 6/9/2015 10:38 PM, John Dowdell wrote:
Charlie

Propose words if you like but I do not think it useful to pursue this one
further. Personally I'm in favour of tagging everything since, as Lotte
explained, the TLV parser has less guesswork and the structure can be
extended in a less ambiguous fashion at a later date.

Unless I'm missing something, I don't see a problem.

Regards
John
From: Charlie Perkins
Sent: ‎09/‎06/‎2015 19:14
To: aodvv2-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [aodvv2-discuss] Re: Regarding the discussion about
taggingeveryaddress.

Hello John,

My understanding matches yours. Can you help me to reformulate my proposed
email to Alvaro to avoid what irks Stan?

Basically, I am sort-of O.K. with making required business proposals, much
like I am sort-of O.K. with voting for the
lesser of two evils. I just want it clearly understood that we are making a
business resolution, not a technical
resolution.

Regards,
Charlie P.


On 6/9/2015 10:00 AM, John Dowdell wrote:
All

Charlie, I understand you feel technical boundaries have been moved
somewhat since 5444 was written. I'm ok with that, but...

Personally I took the view I did after deciding we were not going to win
this particular battle, based on discussions with Henning. Technically
right or wrong doesn't matter, sadly.

What matters to me is winning the war, that is getting to last call in
Prague with nods of approval around the room.

So Charlie, this is definitely not personal, but this is business, and we
had to make a business call.

Hope that makes sense.

Best regards
John
From: Ratliff, Stanley
Sent: ‎09/‎06/‎2015 17:23
To: aodvv2-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [aodvv2-discuss] Re: Regarding the discussion about tagging
everyaddress.

Charlie,

Sigh. IMHO, your synopsis is myopic, somewhat self-serving and
"cherry-picked", and frankly, insulting.

That said, it *should* go without saying, but I'll say it anyway: You're
free to discuss with whomever you choose - Alvaro, Alia, Clausen.... heck,
even Jari and/or Abdussalam. Rock and roll. Take your best shot. Then I'll
take mine.

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: aodvv2-discuss-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:aodvv2-discuss-
bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Charlie Perkins
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2015 12:06 PM
To: aodvv2-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [aodvv2-discuss] Regarding the discussion about tagging every
address.


Hello folks,

These are my understandings:

- The discussion will take too long.

- The technical merit does not matter. Reviewing technical arguments
takes too long and would not change anyone's mind.

- Henning has said the same thing over and over again and will not change.

- We cannot win this (regardless of technical merit).

So, on this basis, a majority of the AODVv2 author team has decided to
cave
in.

If this is correct, I would like to inform Alvaro of the status of this
issue. I
want to hear his opinion about this.

Regards,
Charlie P.



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