Hello again folks,
Regarding transparency...
I have found the discussion on the mailing list to be extremely
adversarial and nonconstructive. This is a big inhibition for me, and
so it has been useful to have the aodvv2-discuss list to carry on
constructive conversations. Thank you for that. I guess within the
last year the adversarial nature seems to have decreased, although not
disappeared entirely, so going to the [manet] mailing list sooner is
probably of good value.
I was admittedly shocked when it was suggested that I did not value your
collective times, since that was so far from true that I was left
figuratively slack-jawed.
Finally, I really hated to see the pseudo-code deleted, but I didn't
have the time to do the update myself, and I hate to make work for other
people so I just have to let it go. Too bad for all the future people
who might have benefited from our experience. Check Appendix A of RFC
1321. That appendix alone was responsible for a great deal of the
security as best we knew how to do it in the 1990s.
Regards,
Charlie P.
On 2/19/2016 12:15 PM, Stan Ratliff wrote:
OK, fellow authors -
There was just a conference call between the MANET chairs and the AD (Alvaro). In that discussion, the following was decided:
1. There will be NO MANET meeting in Buenos Aries. Any get-together will be ad-hoc (sorry, I couldn't resist), and would be pretty informal.
2. With respect to AODVv2 - Justin committed to getting us a review of the -13 document. The issues he mentioned that are outstanding are:
o The Routing Loop discussion - I thought we had concluded there are no loops. Has that been communicated on manet@xxxxxxxx <mailto:manet@xxxxxxxx>?
o Security Considerations text - We know about that one, there are discussions ongoing. Let's move the bulk of those discussion on to manet@xxxxxxxx <mailto:manet@xxxxxxxx> to show progress (or at least intensity).
o Multiple IP addresses assigned to one interface. Again, I thought we'd discussed, but I can't remember the outcome (and my apologies for that - I've not mastered digging through a Gmail archive well enough to find it).
In sum, we're now on a 2-3 week trigger.
The conclusion of the conference call was that a review would either point out that we're pretty close, needing some resolution on the 3 items above, or the document is still "pretty far out", and therefore the WG needs to take action. The only actions listed as possible are:
1. Publish the document
2. Abandon the document, and allow the authors (if they wish) to seek an individual submission.
3. Close the WG (yes, it's a real possibility).
A disposition (publish or perish) MUST MUST MUST be made on AODVv2 within the 2-3 week time frame. We will *NOT* be allowed to continue on with this hanging, and it is the prime reason that the request for a WG meeting in Buenos Aries was denied by the AD.
We also CANNOT recharter the working group without disposition, as we appear to be a totally dysfunctional WG looking for more issues to blather over, confuse ourselves with, politicize, argue and scuffle over, and generally "play around at" without reaching a conclusion.
Once you read the above, and get over hyperventilating, I want to say - I think you all have tried to do your technical best, and attempted to work through some contentious issues. We've come a long way - just not far enough, at least as of yet. The whole issue of a reactive protocol was politicized, and became a personal, nasty battle full of egos and insults - ad hominem at it's lowest. There are *NO* technical reasons why a reactive protocol can't be standardized - the issue *TOTALLY* revolves around the political/personal aspects of the process. It's sad. I want this document to be published, and for us to be able to move on. I especially want to thank Vicky and Lotte for their tireless work on the doc, and for the progress made. If the decision is to abandon the document, PLEASE don't let that get to you - you both are victims of a ego-infested swamp that was created long before you came on-scene. Your effort to-date in attempting to drain that swamp & kill the alligators lurking therein has been nothing short of stellar. I say to you both - Bravo.
Let's see what the review shows.
Regards,
Stan
