Ray & Holly, Forming a small group sounds like a wonderful idea. While that is good for the church, I would still like to see a separate men's group that meets. If the men's group became smaller due to the small group, that is ok. I just find a men's group valuable to me. my two cents Stephen Hochstetler shochste@xxxxxxxxxx International Technical Support Organization at IBM Office - 512-838-6198 (t/l 678) FAX - 512-838-6931 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com