This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/3/158.html#000002 Do you want just the ouline of an oval, or an oval shape with a different 'hole' in side it? You can create 'ovals' as just an outline easily-they are included with basic fonts as a 'design' font in your database-I haven't got the book with the listings but they are in there-you just use the correct key or key combination to get them. Or, go into 'artwork' off the tool bar and you get a drop down menu with shapes in it-find 'oval' and make it the size you want-then if it isn't in a 'column' click in the properties menu to 'change element type' to a single line or complex line and set your width of the outline itself, without a fill pattern. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================