>>>Is there a trick to using smaller needles?<<< The smaller the needle, the smaller the eye. When the diameter of the thread is larger than the diameter of the eye, too much friction causes thread and/or needle breaks. So, the secret to using smaller needles is to use thinner thread. 60wt is thinner (some say about 1/2) than 40wt. We view 60wt thread and #9 needles as specialty items for small detail and small lettering only. The increased density needed for larger elements raises the stitch count dramatically. In the one case that we tried redoing the entire design in 60wt, the count doubled. Don Hanson Terradon Embroidery don@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx www.terradonembroidery.com =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================