[amayausers] Re: Small Lettering
- From: "Janel Harris" <janel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 16:36:46 -0800
Wendy,
I have more to add. Based on feedback from my customers and what
I have seen, the AMAYA is capable of great small lettering.
The key to lettering of any size is breaking it down.
Lettering is comprised of column stitches and some walk stitches that
travel between elements. I am a firm believer that columns should be at
least 1mm (10 pts) wide. This prevents a lot of thread breaks. The first
thing that I recommend is measure (with the ruler tool) the column width
of the lettering after its up on the screen. Most block fonts are
consistent in width so you can pretty much pick anywhere to measure.
With scripts and serifs, look for and measure the narrowest section. If
its not 1mm, then I add column width until it is. If so much column
width is needed that it causes the insides of letters to close up, then
its time to think about making the lettering larger.
With lettering under 1/4" the stitch length is important. The
goal is to keep those travel or underlay walk stitches centered under
the column so they don't pop out and help keep the columns straight.
15-20 pts works well and as lettering gets larger so can the stitch
length.
Density and underlay will also have an effect on quality but
that's another topic in itself. I do agree with Jeff that the Micro
fonts are the best ones for small jobs. Good luck!
Janel Harris
Dimensional Designs
http://www.dimdesigns.com
-----Original Message-----
From: wl solomonson [mailto:wlsolomonson@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 2:30 PM
To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [amayausers] Small Lettering
Jeff,
Info.like this is so helpful for me as a newcomer to the emb. world and
you,
on more than one occassion, have taken the time to explain something in
pretty good detail! That is truly appreciated on my part and I will be
adding this e-mail to my well worn cheat-sheets.
I think part of my frustration lies in the training I've had, some of
the
information was so vague and I've ended up doing alot of "what if"
sewing
until I figure it out. That has it's rewards when I conquer a problem
but I
really wish there would be more substance to the training Melco offers
new
customers. I know there are alot of issues to consider in offering
training
but a totally green person such as myself might need a lot more hand
holding
during the learning process. This list, and a couple of others I belong
to,
have been invaluable to me as I continue to learn.
Wendy
Itchin' To Stitch
MN
>From: "Jeff Banks" <jebanks@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [amayausers] Small Lettering
>Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 09:56:22 -0700
>
>Wendy,
>
> Small Lettering is something that has been a struggle for people for
as
>long as I have been working for Melco. Not just on Melco machines, but
in
>general, on all machines. Many embroiders swear to the rule that small
>lettering should be digitized. I feel that if the correct "recipe" is
used,
>good results can be obtained with keyboard lettering as well.
>
> I have collected information over the years that when I use this
>information properly, I can produce pretty decent small lettering on
the
>Amaya.
>
> Below is a quote on the recommended sizes from Tom Moore of
Strawberry
>Stitch Designs. He has been doing this for many years and is the author
of
>Digitizing 101.
>
>"5mm ( .20" ) number is for mixed case (upper and lower case) direct
>embroidery to a fabric and is the number you should be able to produce
with
>quality. It also states you can go as small as 4mm ( .16" ) if
>the letters are all uppercase. I also teach if you are sewing letters
over
>a
>fill or on top of polytwill ( similar to what patches are made of )
then
>you
>can go down to 3mm ( .12" )"
>
> Use a 70/10 Sharp or 65/9 Sharp needle. I also use the DBXK5 needles
as
>the
>larger eye helps with the thread passing through the needle. As the
Amaya
>is
>tuned and adjusted to the Organ brand of needles, I suggest staying
with
>Organ. I also like the Titanium coated as they produce less friction
which
>also produces less heat. (Heat=Threadbreaks).
>
> On knits, cotton etc. use Solvy for topping. Backing used is
generally at
>least one piece of medium cutaway, but it really depends on the
garment. On
>more stable types of garments tear away works fine.
>
> Generally, stay with a plain block type of alphabet. The Micro Block
>alphabets within the Design Shop software were recently re-digitized
for
>specific use at small sizes. Others can be used, but insure you check
the
>Alphabet Code Sheets in the Design Shop Help system to insure it is
>intended
>for the size you are sewing. This AM I used the Micro Block CP, at
.15", No
>added underlay, 120% column width and a 4.5 density. I also used the
Micro
>Times and Mini Block at their minimum size recommended in the Alphabet
>codes
>sheets, but I used a density of 4.5. I used 60 weight ARC Poly thread
with
>a
>70/20 Sharp DBXK5 Titanium Organ needle. I sewed it on Pique Knit
using
>the
>words, "HI THIS IS A TEST". I also used Micro Block on an ARC at .20
with
>the sentence "Hello, This Is A Test Of Small Lettering". I had
excellent
>results with all. NOTE: Density really depends on the thread colors
used as
>well. A black on white may need more density to get a good look than a
>orange on white etc.
>
> One step further is to go to a 50 or 60 weight thread. The smaller
the
>thread, the crisper and finer it looks. You generally have to use more
>density when going to a smaller diameter thread, but the result is
>excellent
>and worth it when possible. I find the smaller the needle and thinner
the
>thread, the better the results.
>
>Jeff Banks
> Melco Embroidery Systems
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "wl solomonson" <wlsolomonson@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 13, 2004 7:09 AM
>Subject: Re: [amayausers] E_mail may still not be working properly
>
>
> > Larry and Connie,
> > I agree too! We have to be picky as it is inevitable that one day we
>will
> > have a customer that is the same way. I have no solutions for this
at
>all
> > but in my 'playtime', as I sew-out small lettering, I hope to come
>across
>a
> > solution that works for me. If this happens I will definitely share
>however
> > in my opinion it is a machine issue that Melco should be constantly
>working
> > to improve. They've been the leader in machine technology with the
Amaya
>so
> > why not be the leader in this area as well? Just my two-cents on the
> > subject.
> > Wendy
> > Itchin' To Stitch
> > MN
> >
> >
> > >From: Captain Gold <captaingold@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Reply-To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To:
amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >Subject: Re: [amayausers] E_mail may still not be working properly
> > >Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 21:33:34 -0500
> > >
> > >I agree about the small lettering. I get very picky about how it
looks.
>I'd
> > >love to hear how others combat this issue.
> > >
> > >Connie Bechtel
> > >Wyvern Productions
> > >
> > >At 08:50 PM 1/12/04, you wrote:
> > >>Just got the wild idea to check all past history posts after I
didn't
> > >>get one reply to my question about a carhart jacket supplier.
Found
> > >>there was a reply that I didn't get in my mail. Thanks for the
info.
>But
> > >>in doing that research I found a reference from late 2001 about
>backing
> > >>'wet laid'. Can someone please explain what that is in reference
to.
> > >>Read a lot about problems and I would like to thank all of you who
> > >>helped make the Amaya what it is today. After the regional tech
got a
> > >>few problems ironed out early my machine runs real well, my hat is
off
> > >>to ALL. The only big problem I have is with small lettering and
>probably
> > >>the biggest part of that problem is ME, I have been told I am to
picky
> > >>for my own good but after all it's my name going out with the job.
> > >>
> > >>Larry Butler
> > >>The ice_man@xxxxxxxxxxxxx in Pa.
>
>
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