[amayausers] Re: Sewing Hats

From: "A Golden Stitch/John and Mary Kyler" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:28:16 -0700
I got the Hoop Tech frames with the Amaya.
I think they help some over the 270s...
I never did buy the extra support that tensions the bill with the bungee
cords...
But I understand that is a must also.... Just need to get the part number
and order them up.
John
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From: "frank davis" <fadavis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; <danars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [amayausers] Sewing Hats


> Dana,
> Thanks.  I think I'll try one.
> Frank
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dana Sandergaard" <danars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [amayausers] Sewing Hats
>
>
> > Frank,
> >
> > saw the hoop tech one at a trade show...hooptech makes all Melco's
> > drivers and such.  It is great...proper tension each time.  A great
> > investment.  I haven't purchased one yet...got the hooptech version of
> > fast frames for many other applications I am going to sew, but the
> > tensioner is on the list before long.
> >
> > Dana @ Threadworks
> >
> >
> > frank davis wrote:
> >
> > >Has anyone used the tensioner that Melco sells for the cap driver?
I've
> > >been told they make a big difference.
> > >Frank
> > >Force Ten
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: "Dana Sandergaard" <danars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:57 PM
> > >Subject: Re: [amayausers] Sewing Hats
> > >
> > >
> > >>Rick,
> > >>
> > >>I only run Conventional Cap frames with a Wide angle driver.  I
> > >>originally bought 270 degree frames but after Stuart explained the
> > >>complexity and time wasted to properly hoop them we returned them for
> > >>more conventional frames.  On a one head I have 3 extra hooped while i
> > >>rn 1 for short runs so that I can take the time to make sure they are
> > >>hooped as tight as possible.
> > >>
> > >>Caps are not the best things to embroider.  They are so inconsistant
in
> > >>the way they are made that no two runa like.  Stuart said to me that
in
> > >>Britain they would look at you funny if you told someone that you were
> > >>going to run them after the cap was made.  Most players in the cap
> > >>market  sew them first and then put the cap together for better
quality
> > >>and ease of sewing.
> > >>
> > >>I have done a lot of caps (flimsy, stiff, and leather) and am
gererally
> > >>happy to the way they sew, but by no means are the absolute best
> > >>possible embroidery like on flat garments.  But no embroidery machine
> > >>will embroider caps as well as flats.  My designs range from 2000
> > >>stitches to 30,000 stitches on a cap and I have had great luck sewing.
> > >> Part may be to the digitizer I use.  He is great at having them sew
in
> > >>the right sequences.
> > >>
> > >>One trick with caps is that they have a lot of movement from side to
> > >>side when sewing (stretch).  By the time you get to the right side of
> > >>the cap from the left on a 4 inch wide or so logo you may see some
> > >>movement.  we digitize all cap designs for the center out.  We sew
from
> > >>center to left side, then center to right side, eliminating most of
the
> > >>play in the caps, and the registration of color to color is way
better.
> > >>Even if you are setting up basic lettering choose the sewing direction
> > >>for center out underneath the type properties.  This works great too.
> > >>
> > >>Dana @ Threadworks
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Aaron wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>Rick,
> > >>>
> > >>>I have 4 Single head Melco conventional machines, 1 4 head
> conventional,
> > >>>
> > >and
> > >
> > >>>3 AMAYA's.  I generally use 1 of my single heads for hats permanently
> > >>>
> > >which
> > >
> > >>>keeps me pretty caught up.  Sometimes I will use 2 of them if I'm
> behind
> > >>>
> > >on
> > >
> > >>>hats.  Therefore I do not do many caps on my AMAYA's.  However, when
I
> > >>>
> > >first
> > >
> > >>>received my AMAYA's the tech had to set up my cap frames and when he
> left
> > >>>
> > >he
> > >
> > >>>left them on.  So for the first 4 or 5 weeks I sewed caps.  Had a big
> > >>>
> > >order
> > >
> > >>>from the Forest Service as we had lots of fires here on the West
Coast.
> > >>
> > >I
> > >
> > >>>ran aproximately 2000 caps in those 4-5 weeks with no problems.  Caps
> are
> > >>>always tricky no matter what kind of machine you have in my opinion.
> The
> > >>>design size and how it is digitized is very important.  Aside from
> that,
> > >>>make sure you use the raised needle plate, presser foot all the way
up.
> > >>>
> > >I
> > >
> > >>>generally set Material Thickness at 8-10.  The first 1000 hats were a
> > >>>
> > >10,000
> > >
> > >>>stitch design with about half of it being letters about 1/4 inch
tall,
> > >>>
> > >maybe
> > >
> > >>>a little less.  I ran them at 850 spm and they ran great.  Took me
> about
> > >>>
> > >3
> > >
> > >>>weeks to sew 1000 caps cause 1 of my AMAYA's needed a board
> replacement.
> > >>>
> > >I
> > >
> > >>>usually use double backing if the cap is unstructured, single if
> > >>>
> > >structured.
> > >
> > >>>I do not use the 270 degree cap frames that come with the machine.  I
> use
> > >>>hooptech frames that I feel work much better and hoop way faster as
> well.
> > >>>MELCO sells a frome exactly like the hooptech, I can't remember
exactly
> > >>>
> > >what
> > >
> > >>>the correct name for them is, but I do know they run about $250 each
> and
> > >>>
> > >are
> > >
> > >>>worth every penny to me.  Not sure if this helps or makes any sense,
> but
> > >>>
> > >I
> > >
> > >>>do know the AMAYA DOES run caps well with the right setup.
> > >>>
> > >>>I beleive Dana runs caps all the time with great success.  Maybe Dana
> > >>>
> > >will
> > >
> > >>>have some advice for you.  Like I said,  I havent ran any caps on the
> > >>>
> > >AMAYA
> > >
> > >>>since last July now.
> > >>>
> > >>>Good Luck
> > >>>
> > >>>Aaron Sargent
> > >>>The Linen Barn
> > >>>----- Original Message -----
> > >>>From: "Rick Arnett" <arnettri@xxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>To: "amaya" <Amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >>>Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 1:02 PM
> > >>>Subject: [amayausers] Sewing Hats
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>We are just wondering if anyone is having success with sewing hats.
> Most
> > >>>
> > >of
> > >
> > >>>the talk revolves around sewing clothing.  We do a lot of hats for
> local
> > >>>baseball programs and schools. Hats are a must for us to be able to
> sew.
> > >>>
> > >I
> > >
> > >>>have not been able to sew them with any success.  Any thoughts or
> > >>>
> > >responses
> > >
> > >>>to this would be helpful.
> > >>>Thanks Rick and Tracy
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
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