Vicki Something to think of is some on the list may have the design if you tell us what it is.... Dakota ### or OESD etc.... Then you can do your test... Keep in mind also that if you have had needle breaks.... The trimmers may have burrs and no cutting properly? John A Golden Stitch --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: amayausers-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For additional commands, e-mail: amayausers-help@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx