Evelyn, Not that I'm an expert, is the lettering a font still or did you convert to wireframe? The reason I ask, I have had similar issues and decided to convert the font to wireframe and remove some of the extra points on the column stitching around the outside. Sometimes too many points force the edge to look jagged especially if you are outside the recommended size of the font. Just an idea, I'm sure some of the expert digitizers can chime in here. cr Cheryl Rotter Team Sports Ink 5111 Grumann Dr. Ste #1B Carson City, NV 89706 775-884-3550 -----Original Message----- From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Evelyn Runge Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2005 11:03 AM To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [amayausers] Need help on column stitch on hat Hello Everyone in Amayaland! I need some suggestions. I'm stitching a structured hat, large letters in fill with a column stitch outline. Problem is column stitch looks real "jagged" almost "zig zag" on the outside edge. I have played with density, column width, underlay until I'm blue in the face. Any suggestions? Using #11 ball point needle, MT = 10 if that matters. TIA Evelyn Express It With Thread