This message was posted by Juli in Kona on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/2/1366.html#000001 I think you can do what you want by changing the text to wirefame AFTER you set the underlay (which you want to do), compensation, tie ins and outs ets. Then you can change the satin to fill for the letter itself and leave the outline satin. That should work. And be sure to set the arc etc before changing it to wireframe. Juli =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================