This message was posted by Rod or Sharon on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/788.html#000004 Mudslinger, Roland uses the older CCF/WAD hooping frames on a non XT AMAYA. On those you cannot get as close to the brim as you can with the newer style XT Extended frames. Roland, you are still using those, arn't you? My wife Sharon and Herb Acree made an instructional video while I was working on one of his machines. They did a pretty good job of it too... Scroll to the top of this page and on the left side you will see a section titled "Tips and Tricks". This is where the video is located....watch it, Herb does an excellent job of explaining the process. If you are hooping the "same" way everytime with repitition, then yes the cap should stay pretty much in the same area, more so with the vertical movement but I always seem to have to jog a bit left to right because of the hooping varibles. Rod Springer Amaya Tech & Trainer =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================