This message was posted by signman on AmayaUsers.com. PLEASE DO NOT REPLY VIA EMAIL. Instead, respond to the thread on the WEBSITE by clicking here: http://www.amayausers.com/boards/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/788.html#000003 I 'wish' we could get 1/2 to 3/4 from the brim but it's never happened, no matter if we use WACF or CCF hooper. Best I can do though is offer this-in Design shop, have your hat hoop selected and showing. Flip your design after finishing it so it's ready to send to Amaya without flipping it there-so in Design Shop you can raise it all the way up in the hoop (closer to the brim in Amaya when sent) This will save you a lot of hoop jogging when you load your hats. When hooping (not sure if Herb, Ed, or Aaron helped me out with this but thanks to one of them!) before you load the hat, bend the brim backwards to take some of the curve out, put it on the hooping station, and flatten the face right down hard as you apply the hoop/straps. Then reach down underneath before you 'lock' the strap/bar and pull the back of the hat firmly. (the hoop making company I can't remember the name of has a modified hooping station with a tension bar you pull-does this automatically!) This pulls the face of the hat down better, and because you 'bent' the brim back, you can pull the hat snug to the gripper and get an extra 1/2 inch or so. Also, if the hat has a padded headband, flip that out-don't have it under the face. Same with the 'cords' on some hats-flip them under the brim. Anything that is under the face of the hat will push the brim 'away' from your hoopstrap-getting your sewout further away also. =========================================================== The AmayaUsers Mailing List Website: http://www.amayausers.com Discussion Board: http://www.amayausers.com/boards Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://www.amayausers.com/list ===========================================================