[amayausers] Re: Backing Suppliers & Hooping
- From: "John Yaglenski" <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:40:55 -0400
Ed:
All good advice... Thank you for taking time to type it out.
So, on pique... Between 6 and 7 oz weight, you use cutaway, but how thick?
1.5? 2.0? 3.0?
Someone told me using 3.0 (or 2 - 1.5 oz sheets) with solvy works well on
pique, especially if you have small lettering involved. I did try it and it
seemed to produce better results. On the material thickness, I like you
have found setting it higher rather than lower has produced the best
quality.
I'm going to forward this on to my wife!
Thanks for you help-
JOHN
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: [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of E. Orantes
: Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 1:50 PM
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: Subject: [amayausers] Re: Backing Suppliers & Hooping
:
: John,
: Between Tear-Away and Cut-Away...
: It was once told to me,.. if it touches the skin, use
: cut-away (it's softer, especially after washing) otherwise,
: use tear-away (hats, bags,...) Use your best judgment knowing
: that tear-away is easier but cut-away is stronger.
:
: I think the wife uses "threadetc.com" when purchasing such
: supplies. The quality is good and prices are about average.
: I wouldn't want this to be an area where I'd skimp on cost as
: backing can be very important to the final product depending
: on (and not limited to) the garment, design, and the machine
: your stitching on.
:
: Now, More Importantly...
: Keep in mind that the Amaya, with it's "tensionless
: thread feed system", significantly reduces the amount of
: backing needed. Remember that backing is a fabric
: stabilizer. Stabilizing is necessary because of all the
: tension put on the thread from the tension knobs (and bobbin
: case) on the machine - especially if the knobs are set way
: too tight (very common). In this area, more is definitely
: not better. Too much thread tension, if the thread doesn't
: break, will be cause for "puckering" and possibly bobbin
: showing on the topside of garment.
:
: Imagine for a moment that you are hand embroidering a simple
: design on a Kleenex tissue. You've got your needle and
: thread and after every stitch, how tight are you going to
: pull on that thread before you start to make that next
: stitch? Only tight enough to take out the slack and so that
: the thread lays smoothly on the tissue (garment). If you
: don't pull all the slack out between stitches, you would have
: "looping". If you pull excessively on the thread (too much
: tension), one or more of three things could happen: you'll
: either squeeze the fluff out of the delicate tissue
: (puckering), tear the tissue, or the thread will break.
:
: With that said, fabric that is very flimsy or stretchy, or if
: held up to the light and the light can be seen through the
: garment, will probably always need to have some form of
: stability (backing). Otherwise, the Amaya, if the material
: thickness is set correctly (oh so very important), will
: present the necessary amount of thread between each stitch so
: that the thread lays smooth on the garment with the only
: tension being in the bobbin area simply there to regulate any
: inconsistencies with the thread or design. Please consider this:
:
: Material Thickness set:
: Too low...
: -thread breaks and possibly pull outs
: -puckering
: -premature wear/cutting of thread feed wheels
: -bobbin showing on top side of garment
: -needle breaks
: Too high...
: -looping - most probably "false thread breaks" before
: looping begins to show
: -thread breaks - or maybe we should call these "thread
: cuts" because the
: thread is cut by the rotary hook (rotates around
: the bobbin)
: If you ask me, it's better to start with a higher material
: thickness and work your way down. The "HELP" button in the
: material thickness window is a good guide of where to start.
: When I do a test sew out on one piece of cut-away backing, I
: prefer a material thickness of 4 or 5 as opposed to the
: default setting of 3.
:
: KEEP IN MIND that although you can run a lot of garments
: successfully on a lower material thickness setting (say 2 or
: 3), you may be sacrificing your thread feed rollers and not
: even know it. If the garment calls for more thread than what
: is being delivered, and the thread doesn't break, then the
: necessary thread will simply be "pulled" through the
: rubber/plastic wheels and a "flossing effect" will take place
: cutting tiny grooves in the rubber wheel. Over a period of
: time the wheels won't function as they were designed to and
: you'll wonder "what's wrong with my machine"?
:
: This can also be the case if you like to run the machine with
: the bobbin too tight. If the bobbin's too tight, it will
: pull more thread to the underside of the garment. And bobbin
: tension can increase over time due to lint and wax build up
: in the tension spring. Be sure to clean your bobbin case
: well and perform the "yo-yo" test with every new bobbin
: spool. DO NOT scratch the bobbin case (say with a tiny screw
: driver)as it is supposed to be highly polished and smooth.
: Some people use the corner of a business card and others like
: edge of a small piece of paper folded in half to "dig out"
: debris from the tension spring.
:
: I'll get off the soap box now but good luck to you John.
:
: Ed Orantes
: Amaya Technician/Owner
: New Orleans, La.
: cell: 504-258-6260
: shop: 504-EMBROIDery
: emservice@xxxxxxx
:
:
:
: -----Original Message-----
: From: amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: [mailto:amayausers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John Yaglenski
: Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 10:43 PM
: To: amayausers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
: Subject: [amayausers] Backing Suppliers & Hooping
:
:
: It's time to restock the ship with backing and I'd thought
: I'd post before I order.
:
: We do a lot of polos and tshirts. The more I have gotten
: into the business, the more I look at the way others do
: things. I have noticed on Pique and T-shirts most everything
: is double backed. We even embroidered some names on
: sweatshirts today that had been done by someone else and even
: they were double backed.
:
: So, my questions...
:
: When do you double back things (if you do) and what kind and
: weight backing do you use? Tear Away, Cut Away?
:
: Who is the best Supplier for backing. We need some Cut Away,
: Solvy and Sticky Backing for the fast frames we got with the
: amaya? Who has the best product (most important) at the most
: reasonable prices?
:
: On the Hooping front... My wife and I just cant get used to
: the round hoops.
: Seems we are always getting sew outs slightly slanted. Our
: brother machine had square hoops which were easy to line up
: on polos. Is there some trick someone has, or will a hooping
: device solve the issue?
:
: Thanks as always for the great advice. I am learning a ton.
:
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