[access-uk] Re: What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

  • From: "Jim" <jwbr33694@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 11:06:42 +0100

Hi Steve,

First I've heard of "Expressive Voices".

Is it a difference in clarity and quality that you get with these voices.  I
ask because I also have a hearing impairment and while I get on ok with
Elequence I've often wondered about "natural" voices.

Also can these voices be put onto MP3 players that have speech output?

Jim Williams

-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 03 July 2013 22:57
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws
license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

Hi,

Regular voices for NVDA are £65 and Expressive voices are £90.  If you have
the regular voices you can upgrade for £13.50.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Scott Cunningham
Sent: 03 July 2013 18:41
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws
license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes
Importance: High

How much are these voices you mention below Steve?
I'm getting more and more into NVDA  and a more responsive voice would help
massively,

Thanks,


Scott

Kindest Regards

Scott Cunningham MBE




-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 10 January 2013 07:09
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws
license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

Hi,

Yes I am a dealer for SA, but just in the name of balance and with my
consumer hat on, I believe that NVDA is now way ahead of SA in most
respects.

By the way, I am also a dealer for the NVDA high quality voices from Nuance.
Approx 7 Euros of the price of these voices goes back to NVDA for
development and I am proud to be a dealer of those voices.  They are well
written drivers, and massively responsive.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Doris and Chris
Sent: 10 January 2013 00:25
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws license
annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

How about System Access? Aren't you a vendor for system access also? 
I have not done much with SA except play with sa2go quite some time 
ago before my account expired from lack of u se. *g*

Thanks bunches!

Doris





At 11:27 PM 1/9/2013 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I'm not, I'm being realistic.  NVDA won't work out of the box with CRM
>systems, Sage Accounting and the like and you would have to do quite a bit
>of work to get that to happen.  That's all I'm saying.
>
>NVDA is great, but it's not the solution for everyone.  It's like using
>Wordpad instead of Word, that's how I see it.  On the web, it is fantastic,
>in Outlook and Word, it is pretty good, but once your program is custom, it
>is more difficult to get it to work, again, because there is no OSM.
>
>All the best
>
>Steve
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick
>Sent: 09 January 2013 20:28
>To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to
>window eyes
>
>He is a dealer so he is going to promote stuff he can sell, fare enough
>Steve but don't down cry Nvda in the process.
>
>On 09/01/2013 20:07, Doris and Chris wrote:
> > The nvda developerer are pretty responsive and nvda got started because
> > its developer could not afford the access technology he needed for
>college.
> >
> > Good for those who can afford or get fudning for commercial software but
> > nvda has gotten good, really good. Under win 8, it is the first
> > screenreader to really support the gesturing available under win 8.
> >
> > Additionally, nvda and System Access are the only two screenreaders that
> > can be used fuly portably, i.e. without installing anything on the host
> > computer since neither use any video intercept.
> >
> > And just for an honest opinion, I've heard that the latest versions of
> > Win Eyes have become a bit more rocky in performance rather than rock
> > solid. Any truth in that?
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Doris
> >
> >
> >
> > At 05:44 PM 1/9/2013 +0000, you wrote:
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> All well and good, but NVDA is not very good for corporate use.  For
> >> example, I use Sage Line 50 which NVDA won't touch, yet Window-Eyes
works
> >> with it pretty much out of the box.  You get what you pay for for sure.
> >>
> >> Sure, NVDA is OK if you want to write the odd letter and stuff, but to
> >> get
> >> it to work with some programs, you have to do some pretty serious
> >> scripting
> >> as it has no OSM.
> >>
> >> So while NVDA is great as is open source, don't run away with the idea
> >> that
> >> it is a panacea.  I couldn't do without Window-Eyes in my job.
> >>
> >> All the best
> >>
> >> Steve
> >>
> >> --
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> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> On Behalf Of Michael A. Ray
> >> Sent: 09 January 2013 17:34
> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping
to
> >> window eyes
> >>
> >>
> >> Terry,
> >>
> >> I've been in IT for over twenty years so I've come across the
resistance
> >> to certain things, free things, being installed on corporate platforms,
> >> but I would guess that most of the IT managers that make such rules are
> >> also, at the same time using several Open Source tools such as server
> >> operating systems, web server applications etc.  The take up of Firefox
> >> also suggests this.
> >>
> >> Likely opposition is probably going to be that with a purchased product
> >> you get guaranteed support.  But in my experience that leaves a lot to
> >> be desired.
> >>
> >> There are lists for support of NVDA and for developers too.  The
> >> user-base is increasing quickly.
> >>
> >> I will never go back to paying for access software for the desktop as
> >> long as a viable alternative exists.
> >>
> >> There is no way that being visually impaired should mean you pay 3 or 4
> >> times the cost of your PC just to make it possible for you to use it.
> >>
> >> And of course there's the endless upgrade treadmill.  I'd equate these
> >> software vendors with drug dealers who give the first few fixes to
> >> customers knowing they will get hooked and come back for more at an
> >> inflated price.
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >> On 09/01/2013 17:12, terry wrote:
> >> > I do use nvda from time to time and find it reasonably okay, though
> >> not as
> >> > smooth as jfw.
> >> >
> >> > I've used jaws since version 3.2, and have probably spent several
> >> thousands
> >> > of pounds over the years.
> >> >
> >> > I'd also have to find out if my employer would allow it on their
> >> systems.
> >> >
> >> > Knowing them as I do, the answer would probably be no.
> >> >
> >> > Out of interest though, is there anyone on the list who uses nvda on
a
> >> large
> >> > network at work?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> >
> >> > Terry
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> > On Behalf Of Michael A. Ray
> >> > Sent: 09 January 2013 16:52
> >> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of
> >> swapping to
> >> > window eyes
> >> >
> >> > Hello Terry,
> >> >
> >> > Why don't you give NVDA a try before you commit to spending another
> >> wadge
> >> of
> >> > cash?
> >> >
> >> > It's easy to download and install and most of the key-bindings are
the
> >> same
> >> > as those for Jaws.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.nvda-project.org/
> >> >
> >> > There is a vibrant and lively support forum also.
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 09/01/2013 16:15, terry wrote:
> >> >> Hi all
> >> >>
> >> >> I won't bore you with my rant about having to keep asking for my dam
> >> >> jaws keys to be re-setby FS, as it's long.
> >> >>
> >> >> What I wanted to know, is how window eyes is activated and or
> >> authorised.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is it the same annoying method that FS use, or a sensible mainstream
> >> >> method, i.e. you are provided with a serial number, and can install
it
> >> >> on your own pc as many times as you choose.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for any help.
> >> >>
> >> >> Terry
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> >> On Behalf Of roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Sent: 09 January 2013 16:02
> >> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible Books
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Andy
> >> >>
> >> >> For the moment I'm only using the Scandisk Clip+ for a trial period.
I
> >> >> don't think this device has any more than track ability available.
If
> >> >> I get on well with using extra books I am considering the Victor
> >> Reader
> >> > Stream.
> >> >>
> >> >> Roger
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Adrien Collins
> >> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:07 PM
> >> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible Books
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi Roger
> >> >>
> >> >> If you are using a victor stream or perhaps a booksense, you can
> >> >> rewind by 1 minute or 5 or 10 and even up to 30 on the stream, not
> >> >> sure about the booksense, how would this work on the plextalk pocket
I
> >> > wonder?
> >> >>
> >> >> Adrien
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >> >> On Behalf Of roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Sent: 07 January 2013 21:43
> >> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> >> Subject: [access-uk] Audible Books
> >> >>
> >> >> Hi All
> >> >>
> >> >> I've just joined the Audible UK book library and have just
downloaded
> >> >> my first book. Quite a long one at 32 hours and only in 4 parts.
This
> >> >> means if I need to go back over ground already read I can only do so
> >> >> by going back to the start of the current track which are around 8
> >> >> hours long. It would be just great to break these down into smaller
> >> >> tracks but the file format is .aa which I understand is Audible's
> >> >> encrypted system which is not breakable by any software available.
> >> >>
> >> >> If this is correct does anyone know of a solution to my problem,
> >> please.
> >> >>
> >> >> Many thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> Roger
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> >> > Analyst/Programmer
> >> > Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
> >> >
> >> > Ham Radio Callsign: G4XBF, licenced since 1982
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> >> Analyst/Programmer
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