[access-uk] Re: What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

  • From: "Ibrahim Gucukoglu" <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx>
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  • Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 08:34:38 -0000

Hi Alistair and Pete.
Many thanks for the links, I'll be sure to download them and give them a try. Quite a powerful little set of add-ons there for the price of what? A decent McDonalds? 

All the best, Ibrahim.
-----Original Message----- From: Alistair 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:17 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes 

Hi Ibrahim,not steve but you might find some info at:
http://www.vict-consultancy.co.uk/content/vMouse_for_NVDA.html

From what I see it is £2.99!

HTH

alistair
-----Original Message----- From: Ibrahim Gucukoglu 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:41 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws
license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

Hi Steve.

Do you know anything about this NVDA mouse add-on?

All the best, Ibrahim.
-----Original Message----- From: Steve Nutt 
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 7:08 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws
license annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

Hi,

Yes I am a dealer for SA, but just in the name of balance and with my
consumer hat on, I believe that NVDA is now way ahead of SA in most
respects.

By the way, I am also a dealer for the NVDA high quality voices from Nuance.
Approx 7 Euros of the price of these voices goes back to NVDA for
development and I am proud to be a dealer of those voices.  They are well
written drivers, and massively responsive.

All the best

Steve

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-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Doris and Chris
Sent: 10 January 2013 00:25
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] What about System Access? - WAs: Re: Re: Jaws license
annoyance, thinking of swapping to window eyes

How about System Access? Aren't you a vendor for system access also?
I have not done much with SA except play with sa2go quite some time
ago before my account expired from lack of u se. *g*

Thanks bunches!

Doris





At 11:27 PM 1/9/2013 +0000, you wrote:

Hi,

I'm not, I'm being realistic.  NVDA won't work out of the box with CRM
systems, Sage Accounting and the like and you would have to do quite a bit
of work to get that to happen.  That's all I'm saying.

NVDA is great, but it's not the solution for everyone.  It's like using
Wordpad instead of Word, that's how I see it.  On the web, it is fantastic,
in Outlook and Word, it is pretty good, but once your program is custom, it
is more difficult to get it to work, again, because there is no OSM.

All the best

Steve

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On Behalf Of Kevin Cussick
Sent: 09 January 2013 20:28
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping to
window eyes

He is a dealer so he is going to promote stuff he can sell, fare enough
Steve but don't down cry Nvda in the process.

On 09/01/2013 20:07, Doris and Chris wrote:
> The nvda developerer are pretty responsive and nvda got started because
> its developer could not afford the access technology he needed for
college.
>
> Good for those who can afford or get fudning for commercial software but
> nvda has gotten good, really good. Under win 8, it is the first
> screenreader to really support the gesturing available under win 8.
>
> Additionally, nvda and System Access are the only two screenreaders that
> can be used fuly portably, i.e. without installing anything on the host
> computer since neither use any video intercept.
>
> And just for an honest opinion, I've heard that the latest versions of
> Win Eyes have become a bit more rocky in performance rather than rock
> solid. Any truth in that?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Doris
>
>
>
> At 05:44 PM 1/9/2013 +0000, you wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> All well and good, but NVDA is not very good for corporate use.  For
>> example, I use Sage Line 50 which NVDA won't touch, yet Window-Eyes

works

>> with it pretty much out of the box.  You get what you pay for for sure.
>>
>> Sure, NVDA is OK if you want to write the odd letter and stuff, but to
>> get
>> it to work with some programs, you have to do some pretty serious
>> scripting
>> as it has no OSM.
>>
>> So while NVDA is great as is open source, don't run away with the idea
>> that
>> it is a panacea.  I couldn't do without Window-Eyes in my job.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
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>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Michael A. Ray
>> Sent: 09 January 2013 17:34
>> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of swapping

to

>> window eyes
>>
>>
>> Terry,
>>
>> I've been in IT for over twenty years so I've come across the

resistance

>> to certain things, free things, being installed on corporate platforms,
>> but I would guess that most of the IT managers that make such rules are
>> also, at the same time using several Open Source tools such as server
>> operating systems, web server applications etc.  The take up of Firefox
>> also suggests this.
>>
>> Likely opposition is probably going to be that with a purchased product
>> you get guaranteed support.  But in my experience that leaves a lot to
>> be desired.
>>
>> There are lists for support of NVDA and for developers too.  The
>> user-base is increasing quickly.
>>
>> I will never go back to paying for access software for the desktop as
>> long as a viable alternative exists.
>>
>> There is no way that being visually impaired should mean you pay 3 or 4
>> times the cost of your PC just to make it possible for you to use it.
>>
>> And of course there's the endless upgrade treadmill.  I'd equate these
>> software vendors with drug dealers who give the first few fixes to
>> customers knowing they will get hooked and come back for more at an
>> inflated price.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On 09/01/2013 17:12, terry wrote:
>> > I do use nvda from time to time and find it reasonably okay, though
>> not as
>> > smooth as jfw.
>> >
>> > I've used jaws since version 3.2, and have probably spent several
>> thousands
>> > of pounds over the years.
>> >
>> > I'd also have to find out if my employer would allow it on their
>> systems.
>> >
>> > Knowing them as I do, the answer would probably be no.
>> >
>> > Out of interest though, is there anyone on the list who uses nvda on

a

>> large
>> > network at work?
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > Terry
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> > On Behalf Of Michael A. Ray
>> > Sent: 09 January 2013 16:52
>> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Jaws license annoyance, thinking of
>> swapping to
>> > window eyes
>> >
>> > Hello Terry,
>> >
>> > Why don't you give NVDA a try before you commit to spending another
>> wadge
>> of
>> > cash?
>> >
>> > It's easy to download and install and most of the key-bindings are

the

>> same
>> > as those for Jaws.
>> >
>> > http://www.nvda-project.org/
>> >
>> > There is a vibrant and lively support forum also.
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > On 09/01/2013 16:15, terry wrote:
>> >> Hi all
>> >>
>> >> I won't bore you with my rant about having to keep asking for my dam
>> >> jaws keys to be re-setby FS, as it's long.
>> >>
>> >> What I wanted to know, is how window eyes is activated and or
>> authorised.
>> >>
>> >> Is it the same annoying method that FS use, or a sensible mainstream
>> >> method, i.e. you are provided with a serial number, and can install

it

>> >> on your own pc as many times as you choose.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any help.
>> >>
>> >> Terry
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >> On Behalf Of roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Sent: 09 January 2013 16:02
>> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible Books
>> >>
>> >> Hi Andy
>> >>
>> >> For the moment I'm only using the Scandisk Clip+ for a trial period.

I

>> >> don't think this device has any more than track ability available.

If

>> >> I get on well with using extra books I am considering the Victor
>> Reader
>> > Stream.
>> >>
>> >> Roger
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Adrien Collins
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:07 PM
>> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Audible Books
>> >>
>> >> Hi Roger
>> >>
>> >> If you are using a victor stream or perhaps a booksense, you can
>> >> rewind by 1 minute or 5 or 10 and even up to 30 on the stream, not
>> >> sure about the booksense, how would this work on the plextalk pocket

I

>> > wonder?
>> >>
>> >> Adrien
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> [mailto:access-uk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> >> On Behalf Of roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Sent: 07 January 2013 21:43
>> >> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >> Subject: [access-uk] Audible Books
>> >>
>> >> Hi All
>> >>
>> >> I've just joined the Audible UK book library and have just

downloaded

>> >> my first book. Quite a long one at 32 hours and only in 4 parts.

This

>> >> means if I need to go back over ground already read I can only do so
>> >> by going back to the start of the current track which are around 8
>> >> hours long. It would be just great to break these down into smaller
>> >> tracks but the file format is .aa which I understand is Audible's
>> >> encrypted system which is not breakable by any software available.
>> >>
>> >> If this is correct does anyone know of a solution to my problem,
>> please.
>> >>
>> >> Many thanks
>> >>
>> >> Roger
>> >>
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>> > --
>> > Michael A. Ray
>> >
>> > Analyst/Programmer
>> > Witley, Surrey, South-east UK
>> >
>> > Ham Radio Callsign: G4XBF, licenced since 1982
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>> > Use the NVDA screen-reader, not Scientific, just Freedom:
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