[access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
- From: "Damon Rose" <damon.rose@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:00:17 +0100
And to be fair, I think someone should start up a bespoke blind friendly
clutter free tech support messageboard. That said, I'm still not sure
the majority would move onto it from mailing lists. But the benefits of
googling and being able to link back to previous answers would be really
good.
-----Original Message-----
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Barry Toner
Sent: 16 August 2010 12:27
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
Damon,
Again I'm in agreement with you here.
There certainly is a mailing list culture. Now there's pro's for this
of course, but one of the negatives is that people will ask a reasonably
straight forward question when either.
A. In the case of a list commands the info is at the bottom of each
mail.
B. In the case of a more general question like,
Where to get a program just mentioned a simple google of the programs
name will bring up loads of results. The first typically being the
developers web site. It's this lack of Initiative and enablement that
often concerns me.
For people who have no prior knowledge we should be more supportive.
However, there are usual subjects that are just babied and who would
crazily, (in my view), ask a question on a mailing list such as this,
wait a day or so for an answer when they could just google and get an
answer in seconds.
Barry.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Damon Rose
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:14 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
>
> Interestingly I was at an accessibility event last year on a panel
> being asked questions. One of the questions from the floor was where
> are all the discussions from blind people about technology. He
> couldn't find them and, as a web developer, both wanted to take part
> and learn more.
>
> My answer was that there is a mailing list culture within the blind
> community. And a tendancy to come and ask a question rather than first
> attempt to google. I think one is symptomatic of the other and if
> questions and answers were better documented on the web then blind
> people might be more enabled more easily.
>
> Who knows.
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Barry Toner
> Sent: 16 August 2010 10:48
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
>
> Damon,
>
> That's what I was thinking about last night. A BLOG or better still
> WIKKI would better suit than constantly creating list after list.
> Were most of the members don't are simply don't' know how to search
> archives, (if the list keeps any), for common questions.
>
> I think because we are so general here on access-uk we have a place
> for some time to come but the model of the web has moved beyond email
> lists.
> It's not dying tomorrow but it's an area that in particular Blind
> people have become in some senses negatively addicted too. There's
> more than one way to skin a cat and the argument that an email list is
> simpiler for a newbee doesn't always wash.
>
> Barry.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Damon Rose
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:10 AM
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> >
> > I reckon there might be a case for pasting some of the good stuff
> from
>
> > this list into a wiki, forever googlable and a good reference.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of ron sears
> > Sent: 16 August 2010 06:48
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> >
> > Thoughts from a silver surfer. Twitter used to be something the
> birds
>
> > did in my day,smile
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Ron
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Eleanor Burke <mailto:eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:01 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> >
> > I think chris has a point. As yet I have not come to terms with
> > twitter or facebook but am certainly interested in doing so after my
> > exams at the end of October. Then I hope to concedntrate on getting
> > to know these well in November.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: tony sweeney <mailto:deirton711@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:48 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> >
> > Barry,
> >
> > I'm inclined to agree!
> >
> > Now having said that for folk who may require answers about
> Twitter
> > should then this list be the way to go?
> >
> > Haven't joined the Twitter community as yet but when I do I
> would
> > like to be able to ask possible questions on this list or if Chris
> > goes ahead, on his.
> >
> > There is a bit of info out there anyway on the Twitter matter
> for us!
> >
> > The occasional question about Twitter I would imagine I'd be
> asking.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Tony Sweeney
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Barry Toner <mailto:barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:35 AM
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> >
> > Honestly, I think there's no need to create a list for
> such specific
> > narrow
> > subjects. Not in the home-end-user blindness community.
> > It's too small of a
> > market and these general access technology lists aren't'
> > exactly over ran
> > with these topics. The list volume isn't' back breaking.
> > I've always found
> > our UK lists on Tech quite light, compared to some of
> the lists
> > state side.
> >
> >
> > Think about it this way what would people talk about if
> they moved
> > to a list
> > for each Social Network, then each program, then each
> anti-virus,
> > then each
> > version of that anti-virus etc. What is it they say,
> "variety is
> > the spice
> > of life" in conversation as well as other things.<smile>
> >
> > Furthermore, most people that ask a handful of social
> networking
> > questions
> > on say BCAB or Access-Uk and get on the social network.
> > Will then, start
> > using that social network to ask questions. Not only
> about the
> > social
> > network but other things as well. It's one of the
> points of being
> > on a
> > social network. Having a group of people who you can
> communicate
> > with.
> > It's more customised for your way of thinking and is a
> resource
> > where you
> > and others can share information as well as personal
> aspects of
> > life.
> >
> > Compartamentalisation is an effective tool but not used
> this way. I
> > think
> > your motives are decent but there's watering down in too
> many lists.
> >
> > So in a nut shell, I don't believe we're over run with
> discussions
> > on
> > twitter here. Certainly not to the point where another
> list needs
> > to be
> > created to handle all this traffic.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Barry.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf Of chris hallsworth
> > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 6:21 PM
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Thoughts on a new list
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > > I'm sorry to bombard you once again with comments and
> the like,
> > but as
> > > Blind Facebook is doing really well I want to have a
> go at setting
> > up a
> > > similar list, but this time devote it to Twitter and
> anything
> > Twitter,
> > > from the website itself to various clients you can
> use, including
> > > Qwitter. I'll give you all a few days to a week to
> decide before I
> > set
> > > it up.
> > > Many thanks in advance for any thoughts regarding
> this.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Chris Hallsworth
> > > e-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Skype: chrishallsworth7266
> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
> > > Klango: chrishallsworth
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