[access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
- From: "Barry Toner" <barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 13:10:10 +0100
Damon,
I wanted to do this some years back for Blind Sys Admins. I'd still be
interested in this type of thing but it's a decent sized project. I'd
looked into setting up a Blind Sys Admin WIKKI as despite having a tecnicahl
background was overwhelmed by the various configuration options etc. Also
my skills don't' lay in Web Dev stuff. So I'd be interested in helping
design, and implament such a service as well as maintain it. But it's a job
for more than one person.
It is something I can raise with the BCAB Board as I sit on it though. This
may be something we could get involved with as a Charity concerned with
Blind Computer Users and interested parties.
Cheers,
Barry.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Damon Rose
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:00 PM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
>
> And to be fair, I think someone should start up a bespoke blind
> friendly
> clutter free tech support messageboard. That said, I'm still not sure
> the majority would move onto it from mailing lists. But the benefits of
> googling and being able to link back to previous answers would be
> really
> good.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf
> Of Barry Toner
> Sent: 16 August 2010 12:27
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
>
> Damon,
>
> Again I'm in agreement with you here.
>
> There certainly is a mailing list culture. Now there's pro's for this
> of course, but one of the negatives is that people will ask a
> reasonably
> straight forward question when either.
>
> A. In the case of a list commands the info is at the bottom of each
> mail.
>
> B. In the case of a more general question like,
>
> Where to get a program just mentioned a simple google of the programs
> name will bring up loads of results. The first typically being the
> developers web site. It's this lack of Initiative and enablement that
> often concerns me.
>
> For people who have no prior knowledge we should be more supportive.
> However, there are usual subjects that are just babied and who would
> crazily, (in my view), ask a question on a mailing list such as this,
> wait a day or so for an answer when they could just google and get an
> answer in seconds.
>
> Barry.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Damon Rose
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:14 PM
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> >
> > Interestingly I was at an accessibility event last year on a panel
> > being asked questions. One of the questions from the floor was where
> > are all the discussions from blind people about technology. He
> > couldn't find them and, as a web developer, both wanted to take part
> > and learn more.
> >
> > My answer was that there is a mailing list culture within the blind
> > community. And a tendancy to come and ask a question rather than
> first
>
> > attempt to google. I think one is symptomatic of the other and if
> > questions and answers were better documented on the web then blind
> > people might be more enabled more easily.
> >
> > Who knows.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > Behalf Of Barry Toner
> > Sent: 16 August 2010 10:48
> > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> >
> > Damon,
> >
> > That's what I was thinking about last night. A BLOG or better still
> > WIKKI would better suit than constantly creating list after list.
> > Were most of the members don't are simply don't' know how to search
> > archives, (if the list keeps any), for common questions.
> >
> > I think because we are so general here on access-uk we have a place
> > for some time to come but the model of the web has moved beyond email
> > lists.
> > It's not dying tomorrow but it's an area that in particular Blind
> > people have become in some senses negatively addicted too. There's
> > more than one way to skin a cat and the argument that an email list
> is
>
> > simpiler for a newbee doesn't always wash.
> >
> > Barry.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf Of Damon Rose
> > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 9:10 AM
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> > >
> > > I reckon there might be a case for pasting some of the good stuff
> > from
> >
> > > this list into a wiki, forever googlable and a good reference.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf Of ron sears
> > > Sent: 16 August 2010 06:48
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> > >
> > > Thoughts from a silver surfer. Twitter used to be something the
> > birds
> >
> > > did in my day,smile
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Ron
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Eleanor Burke <mailto:eleanorburke@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 1:01 AM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> > >
> > > I think chris has a point. As yet I have not come to terms with
> > > twitter or facebook but am certainly interested in doing so after
> my
>
> > > exams at the end of October. Then I hope to concedntrate on
> getting
>
> > > to know these well in November.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: tony sweeney <mailto:deirton711@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:48 AM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> > >
> > > Barry,
> > >
> > > I'm inclined to agree!
> > >
> > > Now having said that for folk who may require answers about
> > Twitter
> > > should then this list be the way to go?
> > >
> > > Haven't joined the Twitter community as yet but when I do I
> > would
> > > like to be able to ask possible questions on this list or if Chris
> > > goes ahead, on his.
> > >
> > > There is a bit of info out there anyway on the Twitter matter
> > for us!
> > >
> > > The occasional question about Twitter I would imagine I'd be
> > asking.
> > >
> > > Best,
> > >
> > > Tony Sweeney
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Barry Toner <mailto:barry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 12:35 AM
> > > Subject: [access-uk] Re: Thoughts on a new list
> > >
> > > Honestly, I think there's no need to create a list for
> > such specific
> > > narrow
> > > subjects. Not in the home-end-user blindness community.
> > > It's too small of a
> > > market and these general access technology lists aren't'
> > > exactly over ran
> > > with these topics. The list volume isn't' back breaking.
> > > I've always found
> > > our UK lists on Tech quite light, compared to some of
> > the lists
> > > state side.
> > >
> > >
> > > Think about it this way what would people talk about if
> > they moved
> > > to a list
> > > for each Social Network, then each program, then each
> > anti-virus,
> > > then each
> > > version of that anti-virus etc. What is it they say,
> > "variety is
> > > the spice
> > > of life" in conversation as well as other things.<smile>
> > >
> > > Furthermore, most people that ask a handful of social
> > networking
> > > questions
> > > on say BCAB or Access-Uk and get on the social network.
> > > Will then, start
> > > using that social network to ask questions. Not only
> > about the
> > > social
> > > network but other things as well. It's one of the
> > points of being
> > > on a
> > > social network. Having a group of people who you can
> > communicate
> > > with.
> > > It's more customised for your way of thinking and is a
> > resource
> > > where you
> > > and others can share information as well as personal
> > aspects of
> > > life.
> > >
> > > Compartamentalisation is an effective tool but not used
> > this way. I
> > > think
> > > your motives are decent but there's watering down in too
> > many lists.
> > >
> > > So in a nut shell, I don't believe we're over run with
> > discussions
> > > on
> > > twitter here. Certainly not to the point where another
> > list needs
> > > to be
> > > created to handle all this traffic.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Barry.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > > Behalf Of chris hallsworth
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 6:21 PM
> > > > To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: [access-uk] Thoughts on a new list
> > > >
> > > > Hello all,
> > > > I'm sorry to bombard you once again with comments and
> > the like,
> > > but as
> > > > Blind Facebook is doing really well I want to have a
> > go at setting
> > > up a
> > > > similar list, but this time devote it to Twitter and
> > anything
> > > Twitter,
> > > > from the website itself to various clients you can
> > use, including
> > > > Qwitter. I'll give you all a few days to a week to
> > decide before I
> > > set
> > > > it up.
> > > > Many thanks in advance for any thoughts regarding
> > this.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Chris Hallsworth
> > > > e-mail and Facebook: christopherh40@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > MSN: ch9675@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Skype: chrishallsworth7266
> > > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/christopherh40
> > > > Klango: chrishallsworth
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