[access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problems
- From: "Aedan O'Meara" <aedanomeara@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2014 17:08:10 -0000
Hi all,
I can read this email in outlook 2013 whereas I could not read her previous
one.
Aedan.
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Muhsin, Louisa
Sent: 17 December 2014 14:34
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion
problems
Hi Carol,
The books on RNIB Overdrive are from our Talking Books Service - they are
exclusive to this library and are not available in other libraries or used by
OverDrive, due to the copyright.
Thanks,
Louisa.
Louisa Muhsin
RNIB Overdrive - now available from RNIB online shop
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From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: 17 December 2014 14:28
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion
problems
Looking further down this thread, is it that RNIB have also been providing
books for Overdrive which were originally Daisy format? If so - and I hope
not - then I do wonder about the Copyright since maybe they were recorded
"for the sole use of the blind".
No doubt someone can let me know what is actually the case here.
Carol P
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From: "Henry Miller" <henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:31 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion
problems
>
>
> Hi Jackie
>
> Many thanks for your informative response. Yourself and Steve's
> views have confirmed my belief that it is the management at RNIB who
> should be held accountable and need to give a full honest explanation
> on why they have chosen Overdrive.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Henry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Jackie Brown
> Sent: 17 December 2014 11:36
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion
> problems
>
> Hi Henry
>
> All I know is that 150 people, myself included, took part in the
> OverDrive trial last spring. We were given a selection of books to
> download, and all the titles I listened to did not have issues. I
> offered my thoughts on the actual site layout, and advised that it
> would be better to go with headings in table format like the existing
> Talking Book catalogue.
>
> To my knowledge, there was no consultation with users on what platform
> would be used, we were simply given OverDrive to work with, and told
> this had been chosen by RNIB.
>
> I can and do use the service, so this is not my issue personally. I
> just don't think it has been thought through and implemented properly.
> It seems the team is doing a good enough job in responding to queries
> and issues, but the whole thing was initiated and developed at a much
> higher level and, like a lot of charitable organisations, this is
> where things seem to go wrong!
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jackie Brown
> Emails: jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx
> thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Henry Miller
> Sent: 17 December 2014 11:05
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion
> problems
>
>
>
> Hi Steve
>
> I fully agree with your points, But why is there no full explanation on
> this list from the RNIB with regards to the whole issue of the Overdrive
> project?
>
> I think its time the RNIB revisited this project, and seek advice from the
> vast experience of blind people young and old.
> After all the RNIB ask the general public for funds towards the provision
> of the Talking Book Service, so where is the consultation with members of
> the service.
>
> best wishes
>
> Henry
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Steve Nutt
> Sent: 17 December 2014 08:58
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion
> problems
>
> Hi Paul,
>
> It sounds to me like RNIB have actually caused themselves more work by
> converting from Daisy, which already existed and in a reasonable quality
> of
> file, to low bit-rate, frankly crappy, versions of MP3 files and stripping
> out Daisy navigation files, which are tiny, the XML and SMIL files for
> example.
>
> I still say they should have left well alone, copied zipped images of the
> CDs and let us download them in a secure environment, instead of causing
> us
> to use Overdrive, which in my view, is quite frankly, equally crap. Daisy
> books play equally well on non-Daisy media players.
>
> I can't accept the excuse about the security of borrowing books, since all
> you need to do is copy the books to a media device and you have the book
> for
> ever.
>
> So my Christmas wish would be to have all the books available in Daisy
> format, as they were written to the CDs and memory sticks.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
> Of
> Paul Warner
> Sent: 17 December 2014 06:00
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion
> problems
>
> A week ago, I notified this list that I had received an email from the
> RNIB Overdrive team advising that they had completed a careful analysis
> of their converted titles and that they had removed those which were
> found to be faulty. The email contained the assurance, "Firstly, we
> have hidden away the faulty titles so don't worry about choosing the
> books you love."
>
> Unfortunately, this is not the case. I have just downloaded to my PC
> Our Mutual Friend by Charles Dickens and proofed the title in the
> Overdrive Media Console software. The title is split into 48 files
> named Part 1 to Part 48. In this title, a Part file usually contains a
> complete chapter but there are quite a few which contain two chapters.
> If you start playback in the Overdrive Media Console, you can quickly
> skip to the next Part by pressing control shift right arrow. You then
> hear 'Chapter x' and the relevant text. Skipping through the Parts is
> about the easiest way you will have to ensure that the chapters are in
> the right order although you won't be sure if a chapter has been
> completely missed since one Part file can contain more than one chapter.
>
> The first problem with Our Mutual Friend is that Parts 13 and 14 are
> duplicates - they contain exactly the same chapter and their file sizes
> are identical when viewed in Windows Explorer.
>
> The same is almost true of Parts 26 and 27 but, in this case, Part 27
> includes all of Part 26 plus the subsequent chapter. Windows Explorer
> shows that Part 27 is 50% bigger than Part 26. What this means is that
> unlike with the repetition in Part 14, you can't easily skip to the next
> Part (Part 28) in order to skip the repeated chapter since doing so will
> miss the additional chapter contained in Part 27. This is very
> confusing and I am glad that I identified these issues before reading
> the book for real.
>
> If users are continuing to download titles from Overdrive to play back
> on any platform, I would advise them to do the following:
>
> 1. Before reading the book, make sure that chapters are not out of
> order. Do this by jumping to the next Part and noting the chapter
> number which begins that Part. All you can hope for here is that the
> chapter number of the next Part is higher than the one in the previous
> Part but beware that more than one chapter can be contained in a Part.
>
> 2. If you find any issues at all, you can either fix them yourself or
> abandon the book and let the RNIB know. Of course, even if you do try
> to fix the problems yourself, you should still tell the RNIB.
>
> 3. If you do decide to fix the problems yourself, do not play the book
> using the Overdrive software or apps as the amendments you make will
> cause the navigation information in the software to become even more
> unreliable. Instead, play the files on your media player or use
> different apps on your smartphone.
>
> 4. Where you spot a duplicated file, delete one of the files in Windows
> Explorer. Before doing so, check the respective file sizes of the
> duplicate Parts. You might find that one of them includes more chapters
> so you should always delete the smaller file.
>
> 5. If you find that a Part file contains chapter(s) which are out of
> order, you can always rename the file(s) to correct the Part numbers.
>
> 6. If you find that all this is too much bother, which frankly it is,
> do nothing and just advise the RNIB.
>
> The key point is that it is quite disheartening to find that, despite
> RNIB assurances, their quality inspection has not identified and removed
> all corrupted titles. I will certainly not begin reading any title
> until I have proofed it in the way described above.
>
> Paul
>
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