So, does that mean there are no actual Daisy books available? Carol P----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Lackie" <ilackie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Again, I can answer that question. Books are broken into parts which bear no resemblance to their DAISY equivalents.Iain-----Original Message----- From: Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:23 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problemsI'm really glad to hear that one, Louisa, because the Copyright would have been a concern. If they're only available to people using RNIB services, do they retain their Daisy format?----- Original Message ----- From: "Muhsin, Louisa" <Louisa.Muhsin@xxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problemsHi Carol,The books on RNIB Overdrive are from our Talking Books Service - they are exclusive to this library and are not available in other libraries or used by OverDrive, due to the copyright.Thanks, Louisa. Louisa Muhsin RNIB Overdrive - now available from RNIB online shop Reading Services Digital Manager, Solutions Team RNIB (Royal National Institute of Blind People) 105 Judd Street, London WC1H 9NE M: 07748 147309 e: louisa.muhsin@xxxxxxxxxxx w: www.rnib.org.uk Join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/rnibuk Follow us on twitter: www.twitter.com/rnibHave you listened to RNIB's Insight Radio today ? Join us on Freeview 730, online at www.insightradio.co.uk via the TuneIn or Radio Player apps or on Sky 888.-----Original Message-----From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Carol.Pearson29@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxSent: 17 December 2014 14:28 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxxSubject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problemsLooking further down this thread, is it that RNIB have also been providing books for Overdrive which were originally Daisy format? If so - and I hopenot - then I do wonder about the Copyright since maybe they were recorded "for the sole use of the blind". No doubt someone can let me know what is actually the case here. Carol P----- Original Message ----- From: "Henry Miller" <henry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 1:31 PM Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problemsHi Jackie Many thanks for your informative response. Yourself and Steve's views have confirmed my belief that it is the management at RNIB who should be held accountable and need to give a full honest explanation on why they have chosen Overdrive. Kind regards Henry -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jackie Brown Sent: 17 December 2014 11:36 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problems Hi HenryAll I know is that 150 people, myself included, took part in the OverDrivetrial last spring. We were given a selection of books to download, and all the titles I listened to did not have issues. I offered my thoughts on the actual site layout, and advised that it would be better to go with headings in table format like the existing Talking Book catalogue. To my knowledge, there was no consultation with users on what platform would be used, we were simply given OverDrive to work with, and told this had been chosen by RNIB.I can and do use the service, so this is not my issue personally. I justdon't think it has been thought through and implemented properly. It seems the team is doing a good enough job in responding to queries and issues, but the whole thing was initiated and developed at a much higher level and, likea lot of charitable organisations, this is where things seem to go wrong!Kind regards, Jackie Brown Emails: jackieannbrown62@xxxxxxxxx thebrownsplace@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Twitter: @thebrownsplace Skype: Thejackmate -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Henry Miller Sent: 17 December 2014 11:05 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problems Hi SteveI fully agree with your points, But why is there no full explanation onthis list from the RNIB with regards to the whole issue of the Overdrive project?I think its time the RNIB revisited this project, and seek advice from thevast experience of blind people young and old.After all the RNIB ask the general public for funds towards the provision of the Talking Book Service, so where is the consultation with members ofthe service. best wishes Henry -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt Sent: 17 December 2014 08:58 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problems Hi Paul, It sounds to me like RNIB have actually caused themselves more work by converting from Daisy, which already existed and in a reasonable quality offile, to low bit-rate, frankly crappy, versions of MP3 files and strippingout Daisy navigation files, which are tiny, the XML and SMIL files for example.I still say they should have left well alone, copied zipped images of theCDs and let us download them in a secure environment, instead of causing usto use Overdrive, which in my view, is quite frankly, equally crap. Daisybooks play equally well on non-Daisy media players.I can't accept the excuse about the security of borrowing books, since allyou need to do is copy the books to a media device and you have the book for ever. So my Christmas wish would be to have all the books available in Daisy format, as they were written to the CDs and memory sticks. All the best Steve -- Computer Room Services 77 Exeter Close Stevenage Hertfordshire SG1 4PW Tel: +44(0)1438-742286 Mob: +44(0)7956-334938 Fax: +44(0)1438-759589 Email: steve@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx Web: http://www.comproom.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Warner Sent: 17 December 2014 06:00 To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] RNIB Overdrive - Still titles with conversion problems A week ago, I notified this list that I had received an email from the RNIB Overdrive team advising that they had completed a careful analysis of their converted titles and that they had removed those which were found to be faulty. The email contained the assurance, "Firstly, we have hidden away the faulty titles so don't worry about choosing the books you love." Unfortunately, this is not the case. I have just downloaded to my PC Our Mutual Friend by Charles Dickens and proofed the title in the Overdrive Media Console software. The title is split into 48 files named Part 1 to Part 48. In this title, a Part file usually contains a complete chapter but there are quite a few which contain two chapters. If you start playback in the Overdrive Media Console, you can quickly skip to the next Part by pressing control shift right arrow. You then hear 'Chapter x' and the relevant text. Skipping through the Parts is about the easiest way you will have to ensure that the chapters are in the right order although you won't be sure if a chapter has been completely missed since one Part file can contain more than one chapter. The first problem with Our Mutual Friend is that Parts 13 and 14 are duplicates - they contain exactly the same chapter and their file sizes are identical when viewed in Windows Explorer. The same is almost true of Parts 26 and 27 but, in this case, Part 27 includes all of Part 26 plus the subsequent chapter. Windows Explorer shows that Part 27 is 50% bigger than Part 26. What this means is that unlike with the repetition in Part 14, you can't easily skip to the next Part (Part 28) in order to skip the repeated chapter since doing so will miss the additional chapter contained in Part 27. This is very confusing and I am glad that I identified these issues before reading the book for real. If users are continuing to download titles from Overdrive to play back on any platform, I would advise them to do the following: 1. Before reading the book, make sure that chapters are not out of order. Do this by jumping to the next Part and noting the chapter number which begins that Part. All you can hope for here is that the chapter number of the next Part is higher than the one in the previous Part but beware that more than one chapter can be contained in a Part. 2. If you find any issues at all, you can either fix them yourself or abandon the book and let the RNIB know. Of course, even if you do try to fix the problems yourself, you should still tell the RNIB. 3. If you do decide to fix the problems yourself, do not play the book using the Overdrive software or apps as the amendments you make will cause the navigation information in the software to become even more unreliable. Instead, play the files on your media player or use different apps on your smartphone. 4. Where you spot a duplicated file, delete one of the files in Windows Explorer. Before doing so, check the respective file sizes of the duplicate Parts. You might find that one of them includes more chapters so you should always delete the smaller file. 5. If you find that a Part file contains chapter(s) which are out of order, you can always rename the file(s) to correct the Part numbers. 6. If you find that all this is too much bother, which frankly it is, do nothing and just advise the RNIB. The key point is that it is quite disheartening to find that, despite RNIB assurances, their quality inspection has not identified and removed all corrupted titles. I will certainly not begin reading any title until I have proofed it in the way described above. 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