Hi,
Taking a copy is not, but breaking their DRM is.
All the best
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-----Original Message-----
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Robert Portal
Sent: 18 February 2016 16:54
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] R: Re: DRM is Evil! an observation
Steve, taking a copy for personal use is *not* illegal. Indeed, when I last
looked at the Audible terms and conditions they actually recommended that you
should take a copy.
Best wishes
Robert
-----Messaggio originale-----
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Nutt
Inviato: giovedì 18 febbraio 2016 16:35
A: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Oggetto: [access-uk] Re: DRM is Evil! an observation
Hi Henry,
Yes they can. You have to play them using Audible Manager and if they close
your account, they simply worn't work any more. If you are playing them in any
other way, you are breaking their DRM which is technically illegal.
All the best
Steve
On 16/02/2016 19:38, Henry Miller wrote:
Hi Steve
When I download books from Audible onto my laptop prior to transferring them
to an Sd card, a copy of the books are stored within a folder on my laptop.
Audible cannot prevent my access to these books so the question is who owns
these books?
best wishes
Henry
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Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: 16 February 2016 17:00
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: DRM is Evil! an observation
Hi Ibrahim,
The problem here though is that with Audible, you don't actually own
the book ever. You only own the licence to read it. It's a bit like
a library really. So if for example, Audible went under, you'd have
no recourse either, so I think you are on shaky ground to be honest.
All the best
Steve
On 16/02/2016 01:16, Ibrahim Gucukoglu wrote:
Hi James.
I am beginning to consider that as an option, I'm looking at all my
options right now. I can accept that Amazon don't want to do
business with me which is their perfect right, however when you've
invested thousands of pounds in content, you naturally expect that
content to be accessible to you. It's like filling up your house
with valuable works of art, furniture and other pieces only to have
Amazon take the keys from you, locking you out of your home and
denying you access to the content you rightfully own. It's only when
it hits you do you realise what a catastrophe it is. Whenever you
write to Amazon's account specialists, you get pro former emails,
obviously scripted with no recourse. You don't get a name, the agent
who sends out the email doesn't even introduce themselves, it's
shocking impersonal dehumanising service.
Anyway, I need to rest this sleepy head of mine. Take care.
-----Original Message----- From: James English
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 1:02 AM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: DRM is Evil! an observation
Hello,
You should certainly pursue legal action against Amazon. This is a
breech of the consumer rights act, and is fundamentally against the
law.
Sincerely,
-James English
(Practising lawyer)
On 2/16/16, Ibrahim Gucukoglu <ibrahim_gucukoglu@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
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This little piece was written about me by my brother, it discusses
the consequences of digital lockouts. I was unfortunately enough to
loose access to my Amazon account last week, and the likelihood is
that I will not be able to have it reopened. This wouldn’t be a
serious issue if it weren’t for the enormous audible library I
thought I owned:
Amazon have closed my brother's account because he was returning too
many articles to them. He'd apparently crossed some sacred threshold
or other--presumably one calculated to be the least profitable to
Amazon--with the result that he can no longer log in to his account.
And you'll never guess what that means for his very handsome
collection of Audible books.
Go on, take a guess. You'll probably get it first time ...
The DRM on Audible content requires that any device obtain a key
from Amazon, after logging in to an account. Any device already
possessing that key can of course continue to download and play any
content, but without logging in, a new device cannot obtain the key.
Amazon have made it very clear to my brother that they have no
intention of allowing him further access to his account. So Amazon
has put an effective end-of-life date on all of my brother's Audible
"Purchases"; as soon as he resets the devices, sells and replaces
them, etc., his Audible collection will be no more.
I'd just like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that DRM
is thoroughly and fundamentally evil. It's wicked. It's corrupt.
It's iniquitous. And it's not about piracy at all, it's about
control. You don't own the things you "buy" if the content is locked
with a key you don't have and can't get. The true owner is simply
parting you from your money with the vague promise of letting you
use the key, which they endeavour to keep you from discovering, lest
you use it in ways not approved by the owner--for instance by
unlocking your digital content permanently and thus freeing yourself
from the owner's grip--but which they will make available to you
while using software that they trust to protect their, and not your,
interests. And of course, the owner always has the option of not
letting you use your key at all, by telling the server not to give
it to the software.
While your decryption key is in their hands, anything might happen
to your content, at any time, even if the owner promises to the
contrary.
This racket is only possible because we give these content
distributors the money to enable it--to write the software that
keeps the keys safe from discovery while in your hands, to write
laws that prohibit people from breaking the software to access the
content without use of that software, and to criminalise perfectly
legitimate uses of content that are inconvenient for the bottom
line, but that are recognised by copyright and common sense as being
reasonable and fair. I sincerely hope you take something from this
incident, as I surely do, with something like this so close to home
happening, and I hope you'll be willing to think carefully about
whose business practices you'll be willing to support if you have
the choice. I understand that we don't all have the choice to
exercise all the time, and that it's easy to make up excuses and
pray that it never happens to us. I'd say that this was particularly
true for blind people and those with other reading challenges,
because the selection of material is already very limited. Audible
makes a fantastic, sometimes exclusive collection of audiobooks
available.
But they, and any other DRM peddler, simply cannot be trusted. I
have made it a habit never to value any protected content too
highly, and I'm gratified to see the truth in it, sad as I am for my
brother's plight. For your own sake, wherever possible, you should
make arrangements to avoid DRM.
Try not to purchase anything you wouldn't keep from a DRM merchant.
You never know, it could be you this happens to, and you might be
the next person to own a handsome collection of strongly encrypted,
utterly useless files that you have no hope of playing, and who will
be out of pocket for the amount you "Bought" them for.
Hope this encourages some debate on the issue and those who use
Amazon, take heed!
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