[access-uk] Re: Political Correctness
- From: "Ankers, Dave (UK)" <Dave.Ankers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 14:34:57 -0000
Jackie,
I'm so pleased you agree with how I allow my wife to deal with the
coinage, while I deal with the credit cards!
You haven't seen a Euro coin! well Jackie I'm sorry but you never will!
don't worry you're not missing anything.
Anyway Jackie, what do you think of my idea of using potatoes instead of
coins?
no don't come after me with that potato peeler!
Dave
You're such a wise man Dave Ankers, leaving your wife to take care of
the money. That's my job too and I highly recommend it no matter how
funny it is (smiles).
Seriously, I've never seen a Euro before.
Jackie
Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
Skype Name: Cairnsplace
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ankers, Dave (UK)" <Dave.Ankers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 1:25 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Political Correctness
>
> Wendy,
>
> I fully agree with you concerning European coinage, I don't like them
> one bit, so I leave dealing with all that funny money to my wife.
>
> Dave
>
> I haven't travelled much since the Euro came in, but I have seen some
of
> the coinage, and as a totally blind person I found it difficult to
tell
> one coin from another. They were all about the same size, some with
> milled edges, some not, but not very easy to distinguish. Clearly
> someone wasn't politically correct enough to consult visually impaired
> people and make the coins easily understood.
>
> I am amazed to hear about the American NFB's attitude about accessible
> currency. However, years ago an American friend did tell me that over
> there you don't get nearly as much help as we do here. He was talking
> in terms of getting around, strangers kindly assisting if you looked
> lost, etc. He said that even hailing a taxi was very problematical,
as
> many of them wouldn't stop if they didn't want to take you.
Apparently
> the American attitude was that you just had to get on with life as
best
> you could and not expect help.
> I felt very glad to be living in Britain when I heard this. We moan,
> and rightly so, when service is bad, but in many parts of the world
> service is non-existent or very basic.
>
> I think it's ok to discuss this on this list. After all,
accessibility
> doesn't just mean gadgets that can talk or magnify screens. It covers
> every aspect of life where sight would be an enormous help if we had
it,
> and lack of it is a perishing nuisance.
>
> Wendy
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf
> Of Ray's Home
> Sent: 19 February 2008 11:13
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Political Correctness
>
> Not sure which side of the political fenceDave Taylor is on in his
last
> post, but can I throw in a thought here, and its related to access
tech
> too!
>
> I believe the US NFB is opposed to the Accessible currency campaign
that
> A C B is running - but aside from the long standing antippathy between
> those organisations an interesting point emerges.
>
> NFB seems to oppose accessible currency because I believe they think
> that blind people should make the necessary adjustment, not the state.
> Seems as American as Bluebury Pieto me, and wrong. the common sense
> notion that currency should be readily and quickly identifiable by
those
> who cannot see seems a very good idea. Maybe the American Feds idea
is
> you buy the KNFB reader to do the job, or one or two other gismos that
> the American Fed may or may not have a financial stake in.
> Now, there's a good idea! One that pays too! Even if blind people
are
> substantially the poorer for it, in money terms.
>
> All that aside, I think you will find the diversity/equality industry
is
> blithely unaware and uninterested in disability as an equality issue
if
> it goes against their rather pathetic and ill-thought out notions of
> equality. Indeed some are more equal than others. You should see the
> money the favoured groups get locally and the money local VI
campaigners
> don't get.
>
> I support Race equality , but too many in the B M E industry are
> strongly antithetical and crassly ignorant of disability equality
> issues and don't have the same notion of justice being done across the
> board.
>
> Cheers,
>
> From Ray
> I can be contacted off-list at:
> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Dave Taylor
> Sent: 19 February 2008 10:26AM
> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [access-uk] Political Correctness
>
>
> Hi, taking that to its logical conclusion, let's scrap all equality
> legislation, including the DDA, stop expecting anything to be made
> accessible, and all have specialist gadgets, specialist jobs and
special
> educational courses! Not as bad an idea as we might have thought even
a
> year or two ago!
>
> Cheers
> Dave
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "jim o'brien" <jim.taggart@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 10:23 AM
> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>
>> my opinion only.
>> political correctness is a form of brain washing and we should fight
> it at
>> every turn.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jackie Cairns" <cairnsplace@xxxxxxx>
>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:16 AM
>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>
>>
>>> All I would say is it's PC or, as I call it, Political Cuckoo, gone
> ...
>>> well ... cuckoo!
>>>
>>> I would have done the same in your shoes Roger. I take exception
> to
>>> being called a racist by anybody. I have some good friends from
>>> overseas, and indeed family members.
>>>
>>> But what initiated this thread was Dave saying he didn't like the
> BT Call
>>> Centre, and I have to agree with that. They do read from scripts,
>>> whether they come from Ireland or India. Broadband is also a very
>>> technical language, and I sympathise with even well-versed English
>>> speakers in the terminology they need to understand.
>>>
>>> There isn't any need for anybody to take offence. As I say, it's
> PC gone
>>> cuckoo.
>>>
>>> Jackie
>>> Email: cairnsplace@xxxxxxx
>>> Skype Name: Cairnsplace
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Roger South" <roger.south@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 9:05 AM
>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>>
>>>
>>>> Around the middle of last year I had occasion to phone my local
>>>> council's hackney carriage office to complain of a taxi driver who
>>>> refused to take my guide dog. In conversation I said that
> immigrants to
>>>> this country should be made aware that they will be expected to
> obey the
>>>> laws of this country That when in Rome do as Romans. The woman
> went mad
>>>> calling me the worse kind of racist and was going to report me
> then
>>>> slamming the phone down. A while later I received, unannounced, a
> visit
>>>> from the council department concerned with that sort of thing.
> They said
>>>> they were investigation to decide whether to prosecute me. They
> than
>>>> gave a list of the things I'd said which were twisted versions of
> what I
>>>> actually did say. I waited until they'd finished and simply asked
> if
>>>> they'd listened to the tape that was said about at the start of
> the
>>>> conversation on the phone. They admitted no so I told them to do
> so and
>>>> stop wasting my time. I didn't hear any more so I contacted them
> and was
>>>> told no further action was planned. I demanded an apology in
> writing or
>>>> I would start proceedings against them. I got it. So some people
> do jump
>>>> off the deep end without taking care to get their facts correct
> first.
>>>> So many people are so very over sensitive in finding reasons to be
>>>> offended.
>>>>
>>>> Roger
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Ray's Home" <rays-home@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Monday, February 18, 2008 6:53 PM
>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Not sure Dave if it wouldn't have been better to refer to
> language
>>>>> barriers, perhaps? Maybe more a subject for Vi-gen, but I do get
> very
>>>>> anoyed when having to deal with people, whereever they might be
> from,
>>>>> who's grasp of English leaves much to be desired, e.g. in a pub
> being
>>>>> expected to point to what I want, rather than simply ask for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind you much of the problem is also down to the mass-market
> habit of
>>>>> selling things and not providing propper support to keep prices
>>>>> artificially low, hence use of call centres with no knowledge or
>>>>> comitment to anything they are providing support for.
>>>>>
>>>>> As I say, a subject more for vi-gen I think.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From Ray
>>>>> I can be contacted off-list at:
>>>>> mailto:ray-48@xxxxxxxx
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> Ankers, Dave (UK)
>>>>> Subject: [access-uk] Re: Bt total broadband - was ISP providers
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirsty,
>>>>>
>>>>> It's interesting, I used the word "Brainless" because the person
> on
>>>>> the
>>>>> other end of the phone was unable to leave the script they have
> been
>>>>> programmed with and have a conversation based on information
> given.
>>>>> Is
>>>>> that Racist?
>>>>> I also stated that misunderstandings due to language differences,
>>>>> meaning constantly having to repeat oneself was infuriating.
> Does
>>>>> that
>>>>> make me a racist? oh no I used the "C" word!! yes coloured!
> Jackie
>>>>> stop
>>>>> laughing!
>>>>> It's interesting, whenever you use the word "Coloured" you must
> be a
>>>>> racist. If I was a racist, I wouldn't spend so much money in
> their
>>>>> restaurants!
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure there are some I don't like, just imagine I lived in between
> two
>>>>> neighbours, who both played agga bloody do at full volume, I
> would
>>>>> want
>>>>> to shoot the pair of them, but one is Caucasian and the other
>>>>> coloured!
>>>>> yes you know what I'm going to be called after shooting the
> coloured
>>>>> one
>>>>> don't you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirsty, you said you didn't want to start a new conversation on
> the
>>>>> subject, and it's not access related, but to someone who attended
> a
>>>>> school which was 75% coloured, and I know who is the most racist!
> ever
>>>>> heard of the cast system?
>>>>> it's the proverbial red rag!
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>> Dave,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm of the opinion that your choice of words leaves a lot to be
>>>>> desired, and goes no way to support your statement that you are
not
>
>>>>> xenophobic - your defining people by their skin colour and
claiming
>
>>>>> that they
> don't
>>>>> have a brain because they don't understand you being two examples
>>>>> thereof.
>>>>>
>>>>> I find this list a useful and productive platform for sharing
> ideas
>>>>> and
>>>>> information, and think it would be unfortunate if it became a
> place
>>>>> where such discriminatory comments were unchallenged.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have no interest in opening up a new discussion on the subject,
> but
>>>>> wanted to make the point that at least one person here found the
>>>>> racist comments about Indian call centres offensive. Yes, I have
>>>>> had my
> own
>>>>> frustrating experiences with a number of call centres, but I
> believe
>>>>> there's a difference in being dissatisfied with a service and
> writing
>>>>> so
>>>>> discourteously about a whole people group.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kirsty
>
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