[access-uk] Beware, Internet!
- From: "tony sweeney" <deirton711@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "access-uk" <access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 01:08:36 -0000
Now Folks,
Just beware of content to lists that you may post!
It is searcheable on The Internet.
It is something for us all to be thinking about.
Yes you have answered my last mail for sure.
Thanks Barry for inadvertently making us aware.
Yes, beware!
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: tony sweeney
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [access-uk] Re: Resolution to recent dispute between Mr Logue &
Mr Grunshaw response
Barry okay,
Well like yourself I wasn't receiving mails today till this evening.
Was going to post the list re that.
No don't know I suppose the full story as I'm not on that other list you
mention.
Now what is your view should there be a legitimate grievance?
Not at all saying or implying in the least that Andy doesn't have one.
Thanks for your response.
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Barry Toner
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:58 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Resolution to recent dispute between Mr Logue &
Mr Grunshaw response
Tony,
the thing is though Andy has not proven the machine arrived in a state,
and has not proceeded down the legal route and/or provided evidence other
than word of mouth that this has happened.
It would create the type of anarchy we see now before us if this was
tolorated. I.E. Slanging matches.
Also as we are in the UK Libel and Slander Laws can be very sticky.
We have companies as well as end-users on this list which could get quite
uncomfortable and make judgements on an individual or a company if things
were just left uncontrolled.
As I have already pointed out the last word I heard from Andy was last
evening when he did say, and I've got the emails here to prove this, that he
had no intention in contacting Police or Microsoft. It was threats.
Now I've stated this topic was closed but people are still posting on it.
Essentially flonting a list moderators request.
Let me say, we are not against people saying they had bad service from X Y
Z but it should be sent to the moderator address prior to posting as we do
need to be careful with how it's worded.
Andy's mail was not an I am concerned email and I am not viewing it as so.
it was a vicious outburst from someone who's angry and blowing off steam in
form of a flame.
I am not in the slightest unsympathetic but I will not allow one mans
outbursts and rudeness to mar the good name of this list.
Barry.
Moderator
From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of tony sweeney
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:26 PM
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [access-uk] Re: Resolution to recent dispute between Mr Logue &
Mr Grunshaw responce
Andy,
Fair play to you!
Should you have or anybody else have an issue re technology access then
surely please let us know about it on the list!
Great if you can resolve the matter elsewhere though.
No need to leave the list unless you are turfed off!!
Must go now justt in case I am!!
Cheers
Tony
----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:41 PM
Subject: [access-uk] Resolution to recent dispute between Mr Logue & Mr
Grunshaw responce
Dear Barry and list members.
Barry, there has not been a resolution to this matter, and you know this
fine as we have been in communication with each other today. I have not
dropped my case against Mr. Grimshaw, so I don't understand why you seem
to
be covering everything up like this and telling the Re-cycle list
members
that all is fine now.
As you know Barry, things are far from fine. The Activation Key for the
computer that I purchased from Mr. Grunshaw is indeed illegal.
Microsoft
confirmed this by phone today and I've already conveyed this information
to
you.
In your message to the list, it sounds as though .
I was the culprit here. I've had to cool down you said. Of course I'm
very
angry Barry and I'm more angry now to see that you are brushing the
whole
thing under the carpet.
I did not state at any time that I was dropping my case against this
guy,
indeed, I confirmed this to you as recently as last evening.
I am the victim here. I purchased a computer from this guy, who
provided a
copy of the operating system and an illegal activation key. The
engineer
who had to repair the computer on it's arrival, reinstalled the software
and
immediately, Microsoft picked this up. Subsequently, every time I boot
this
computer up, I am being told by Microsoft that I have been the victim of
fraud and I'm taken to their site, in order to purchase a legal OS.
I have indeed contacted Strathclyde Police and I'm actually waiting for
a
call from someone in Edinburgh. So things are far from resolved.
This matter could have been resolved immediately by Mr. Grimshaw. All
he
had to do was send me the Original Operating System CD. Indeed I
actually
thought that I had this. I did not think for a minute that I had a
blank
copy. Everyone knows Barry, if you are selling software on this list,
or be
it, along with a computer, you need to provide the original legal CD,
and
not a copy. What would stop someone from selling the same product
again
and again.
So yes Barry, I'm still far from happy and very disappointed with the
management team of this list for not supporting or assisting me. As
soon as
you were told that I was going to contact the authorities and mentioned
fraud, you all freaked in fear of a court action, and indeed proposed
that
both James and I be suspended from the list until the matter had been
resolved.
So you don't really care about us the members, you are only concerned
about
yourselves and I no longer wish to be associated with this or the Access
UK
list.
Concerning the latter, as this subject was discussed on the Access.UK
list,
I have sent a copy of this message to that list also, before the members
are
told of some miraculous resolution.
Andy Logue.
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