Tony, the thing is though Andy has not proven the machine arrived in a state, and has not proceeded down the legal route and/or provided evidence other than word of mouth that this has happened. It would create the type of anarchy we see now before us if this was tolorated. I.E. Slanging matches. Also as we are in the UK Libel and Slander Laws can be very sticky. We have companies as well as end-users on this list which could get quite uncomfortable and make judgements on an individual or a company if things were just left uncontrolled. As I have already pointed out the last word I heard from Andy was last evening when he did say, and I've got the emails here to prove this, that he had no intention in contacting Police or Microsoft. It was threats. Now I've stated this topic was closed but people are still posting on it. Essentially flonting a list moderators request. Let me say, we are not against people saying they had bad service from X Y Z but it should be sent to the moderator address prior to posting as we do need to be careful with how it's worded. Andy's mail was not an I am concerned email and I am not viewing it as so. it was a vicious outburst from someone who's angry and blowing off steam in form of a flame. I am not in the slightest unsympathetic but I will not allow one mans outbursts and rudeness to mar the good name of this list. Barry. Moderator From: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tony sweeney Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:26 PM To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [access-uk] Re: Resolution to recent dispute between Mr Logue & Mr Grunshaw responce Andy, Fair play to you! Should you have or anybody else have an issue re technology access then surely please let us know about it on the list! Great if you can resolve the matter elsewhere though. No need to leave the list unless you are turfed off!! Must go now justt in case I am!! Cheers Tony ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy <mailto:andy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: access-uk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 6:41 PM Subject: [access-uk] Resolution to recent dispute between Mr Logue & Mr Grunshaw responce Dear Barry and list members. Barry, there has not been a resolution to this matter, and you know this fine as we have been in communication with each other today. I have not dropped my case against Mr. Grimshaw, so I don't understand why you seem to be covering everything up like this and telling the Re-cycle list members that all is fine now. As you know Barry, things are far from fine. The Activation Key for the computer that I purchased from Mr. Grunshaw is indeed illegal. Microsoft confirmed this by phone today and I've already conveyed this information to you. In your message to the list, it sounds as though . I was the culprit here. I've had to cool down you said. Of course I'm very angry Barry and I'm more angry now to see that you are brushing the whole thing under the carpet. I did not state at any time that I was dropping my case against this guy, indeed, I confirmed this to you as recently as last evening. I am the victim here. I purchased a computer from this guy, who provided a copy of the operating system and an illegal activation key. The engineer who had to repair the computer on it's arrival, reinstalled the software and immediately, Microsoft picked this up. Subsequently, every time I boot this computer up, I am being told by Microsoft that I have been the victim of fraud and I'm taken to their site, in order to purchase a legal OS. I have indeed contacted Strathclyde Police and I'm actually waiting for a call from someone in Edinburgh. So things are far from resolved. This matter could have been resolved immediately by Mr. Grimshaw. All he had to do was send me the Original Operating System CD. Indeed I actually thought that I had this. I did not think for a minute that I had a blank copy. Everyone knows Barry, if you are selling software on this list, or be it, along with a computer, you need to provide the original legal CD, and not a copy. What would stop someone from selling the same product again and again. So yes Barry, I'm still far from happy and very disappointed with the management team of this list for not supporting or assisting me. As soon as you were told that I was going to contact the authorities and mentioned fraud, you all freaked in fear of a court action, and indeed proposed that both James and I be suspended from the list until the matter had been resolved. So you don't really care about us the members, you are only concerned about yourselves and I no longer wish to be associated with this or the Access UK list. Concerning the latter, as this subject was discussed on the Access.UK list, I have sent a copy of this message to that list also, before the members are told of some miraculous resolution. 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