Hey, guys...didn't mean to start a big hoo-ha, but since you had something to say, Elliot, just wondered what you meant by, "The most powerful symbols are those accepted without reflection." Is this something you agree with, or believe is a good thing? Cheryl Cheryl B. Levine, Psy.D. Clinical and Consulting Psychologist Positive Perspectives, Inc. 680 E. Dayton Yellow Springs Road Fairborn, OH 45324 (937) 390-3800 Behavioral Science Coordinator "Mad River Family Practice: Ohio State University Rural Program" 4879 US Route 68 South West Liberty, OH 43311 (937) 465-0080 And the end of all our exploring Will be to arrive where we started And know the place for the first time. --T. S. Eliot