Hi All, I use the term "symbol" as it is defined semiotically without value judgment. All non reflective behaviors are questionable (an oxymoron--to question something that is not to be questioned!). The same problem exists in religious ritual as Johanna suggested. Pledging allegiance to something is simultaneously pledging allegiance against something. It has the potential to construct an identity based upon difference. Isn't this the foundation of xenophobia. The pledge is intended to indoctrinate young impressionable minds. "... and to the republic for which it stands." Isn't this a gross over-simplification considering that the flag and the nation can symbolically stand for different things to many different people? Implicit in the pledge is a loyalty that can be called upon in the name of patriotism. Did anyone see Susan Sontag on NIGHTLINE just after 9/11? She was accused of being a communist and worse ( a bleeding heart liberal) because she wanted to reflect upon the possible reasons for this insane violence. SHe suggested that because the "enemy" was not one specific nation, the ideology that instigated the violence needed to be understood. She was agressively condemned as a traitor because she dared to stop and question the rush to arms: lets bomb whoever we can target, as long as it makes a clear statement that the US will fight back, quickly, decisively, even if it is not intelligent. Those of us who are cynical recognize that the military was actively trying to promote a war in Afganastan for more than 10 years (while the US still ignores the obvious threat within Suadi Arabia). I should avoid this kind of dialogue, but it is part of my field. Semiotcs defines symbols as arbitrary and necessarily ambiguous. Symbols mean what people decide they mean. There is no natural order to the meanings associated with symbolic words or rituals. Historically, symbols like the pledge have been used to ensure conformity imposed by those in power to exploit those who do not see the broader implications and complexities behind these processes. Look at the patriots who marched off to Viet Nam to fight communism. The kind of patriotism the "pledge" promotes should be questioned.