The claim that such venerable claims as "There is free will" and "There is no free will" are nonsensical or meaningless or pointless claims about nothing at all is precisely the position taken by the logical positivists, including Carnap, Shlick, Waismann, and, at one point, Wittgenstein. Perhaps their main problem was that such claims as "Meaning is the method of verification" (and, for that "Meaning is use." are of the same type as "There is free will." W --- In Wittrs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Sean Wilson <whoooo26505@...> wrote: > > ... the point wasn't "Carnapian." > > SW > ============ > > > > I want to suggest quite clearly that there is more of philosophic > > significance > > > revealed in this sort of thing than in a thousand years of disputation > > about > > "free will." Why do today's philosophers talk about nothing? > > > > Spoken like a true Carnapian. Trouble is that that venerable old > philosophical > position that philosophical statements are actually nonsense/about nothing > (logical positivism), was definitively refuted (by other philosophers), > before > you were born. > > W >