(re: Walter) ... yes, but, as you say, Carnap's view was "proven wrong." So in comparing the difference between this and Wittgensteinianism we would now need to know more about: (a) your sense of "brilliance;" and (b) whether the ethic of humility is good or bad here. Is this an ethic that advances the ordinary? What if Wittgensteininans advance an ethic of sincerity and honesty over everything else? Is the selection of one over the other like the selection one might make of ice cream, or is it, perhaps, an issue of pedagogy (of how to tell things - honestly and directly, or "with sugar")? P.S. The claim isn't that anyone is "retarded;" it's that they are confused, and, perhaps, not that insightful. Plenty of people lack insight like others lack mathematical ability. Or others still, spelling abilities (and what not). The issue here is really akin to whether one is a good artist. It's the same sort of thing. Regards and thanks. Dr. Sean Wilson, Esq. Assistant Professor Wright State University Personal Website: http://seanwilson.org SSRN papers: http://ssrn.com/author=596860 Wittgenstein Discussion: http://seanwilson.org/wiki/doku.php?id=wittrs ----- Original Message ---- From: walto <walterhorn@xxxxxxxxx> To: wittrsamr@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Sat, April 16, 2011 12:42:11 PM Subject: [Wittrs] Re: Language games, html, and the Varieties of Nonsense Main differences from Carnap: 1) Carnap had a very solid understanding about what philosophy was and how it worked, before saying it was largely nonsense. 2) Carnap had some humility, and did not suggest that people he disagreed with were either retarded or insane or both or they would see that he was correct. 3) Carnap was brilliant.