We've been seeing raptors in Madison lately that we're having a hard time identifying. For instance, by the train tracks at University/Whitney Way this afternoon we (my son and I) saw a large-crow-sized hawk with a gray back and tail and squared, longish tail perched in a tree right by the road. When we turned the car around to get a better look, we only caught it for a few seconds before it flew off. I didn't think it had bands on the back of its tail, but I was wearing sunglasses and it was in the shade. My son thought he saw brownish bands with the gray. (For the record, he's only 8; I sometimes take his marking IDs with a grain of salt.) When it flew off it flew down and away from us, but it looked pretty light underneath. We want to say Sharp-Shinned, but we really don't know; I didn't think they hung out in such a populated area, and according to eBird there haven't been sightings around here lately. Since we are still really new at identifying raptors, I hate to claim a sighting when we're unable to be sure. Which is my other question: how the heck do people get sure at raptors when they zip off or are far overhead?? We've got a few books (including Hawks at a Distance, which we haven't had a chance to study yet) but honestly, I don't know how people do this. A small hawk flew right over my car the other day on Whitney Way and I'm sure someone else could have made a great ID, but I've got no clue. Is this just a case of practice-makes-perfect? Thanks for any help... Anna Keaney Gibson Dullea Madison, Dane #################### You received this email because you are subscribed to the Wisconsin Birding Network (Wisbirdn). To UNSUBSCRIBE or SUBSCRIBE, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn To set DIGEST or VACATION modes, use the Wisbirdn web interface at: //www.freelists.org/list/wisbirdn Visit Wisbirdn ARCHIVES at: //www.freelists.org/archives/wisbirdn