Hey all- I like this "within from without, or without from within" rule. I don't yard list heavily, but I recall a similar story to Chris's of a Eugene OR birder hearing white-fronted geese while a quarter mile of his home, and racing them back to be within his yard to tick them when they flew over. My dad has a bit of a hobby farm in central MN, and we were astonished to find we had a list of 179 when we totaled them up. Not sure if it counts as a yard, I suppose, but hey, if Tom is counting his mobile yard, we'll call the farm a "yard". Jesse On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Petherick Chris <cpetherick@xxxxxx> wrote: > I do pretty much the same as Jerry - anything seen or heard while I am > physically within my yard. I will count it if I am outside my yard, > but the bird is in my yard, but I won't guess as to the flight path, I > need to see a flyover from my yard. I actually have run back to my > yard in order to get a flyover yard bird - a Sandhill Crane - just > after embarking on a dog walk. Needless to say probably, my dog was > not happy with a quick return to they yard! I'm still waiting for the > Milwaukee/Ozaukee County eagles to make a flyover. > > Chris Petherick > Fox Point, Northeastern Milwaukee County > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:35 PM, jerry937975@xxxxxxx wrote: > > > My rule of thumb for my "yard list" is this: > > > > Without from within, or within from without. > > > > So basically I either see the bird FROM my actual yard, or I see it > > IN my yard, though I may be outside the yard. > > > > If I were 20 feet from my yard, and a Mississippi Kite were to fly > > past me, I would have to run to my yard and see the bird from my > > yard to actually count it, unless I was absolutely sure it flew > > directly OVER the airspace of my yard. lol > > > > But that's my rule and I'm sticking to it. > > > > Jerry DeBoer > > Central Racine County > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Sykes <sykes@xxxxxxxxxx> > > To: Wisbirdn network <wisbirdn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Sent: Thu, Oct 7, 2010 2:17 pm > > Subject: [wisb] Re: Yard Lists > > > > > > Hi Bob, > > Others may have a different take but I believe the general rule of > > thumb is that > > ny birds observed while you are physically within the boundary of > > your yard are > > ountable as yard birds. When we had a yard defined by property lines > > we went so > > ar as to categorize a yard bird as a fly-over, heard only, using a > > water > > eature, feeding, or nesting. We also annual logged dates of when a > > species was > > irst and last seen in a given calendar year. > > Now that we're full-time RVers, our definition of a yard has changed > > to be the > > ize of the site where our RV (our home) is parked. Suffice to say, > > our yard > > ist has grown at a terrific rate as we have traveled and is far more > > robust > > han the list we accumulated in our former static yard. There are not > > many > > acific Loons, Buff-bellied Hummingbirds, or Greater Roadrunners to > > be seen in > > ppleton....not even in Daryl's yard! ;-) > > Tom and Carol Sykes (currently in Las Cruces, NM) > > ykes@xxxxxxxxxx > > > > On Oct 7, 2010, at 9:41 AM, <rcd2@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > >> Yard lists are perhaps based on each birder's concept of what > >> constitutes a > > ard bird. Are there some standard rules? My personal rule has been > > that a > > ard bird is one that is seen or heard while one is on the actual > > yard property. > > y property is one block from the Village Pond and Lake Oschwald. > > When I > > atched the Cackling Geese this morning, I saw them over the air > > space of my > > roperty. I have had other similar experiences. I often do cemetery > > studies at > > he local cemetery about two blocks from my property. The cemetery > > is high on a > > ill and, from there, I am able to see my house. While at the > > cemetery, I have > > een various birds (such as a Sharp-shinned Hawk) fly over my house > > and then > > ver my head at the cemetery. I have not included any of these > > species as part > > f my yard list. 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