To Courtney's point.... While it is not required per se that all sites meet some kind of accessible standard (508), one day it very well may be (overall, I think the web is moving toward standarization much the same way newspapers adopted a more-or-less 5 column standard bak in the day). That said, in my experience, keeping accessibilty standards in mind helps create a better website for all, period. Why? Because it forces the team to consider the user experience from more perspectives, and forces them to better artiucalte site goal, logic, etc. Getting rid of uneccesary graphic increase download time and site performance, which also adds to a better user experience. Once more, by ensureing that the site can be view using text readers or text magnifiers, you are also ensuring that your site can be scanned by foreign-language translaters, thus increasing the potential audience of your site. The reason why I am aware of this stuff is because, like I said, we've worked from some pretty large gov. agencies that required 508 standards. For one site in particular, we had a rep. from the great Nielsen Norman Group (http://www.nngroup.com/) come in and audit our site well before launch. While we were pretty close to the standard, they gave us many valuable insights, so much though that now Web Accessiblity is one of our core offerings. Anyhow, listen to Courtney: Web Accessibitly is the future! -----Original Message----- From: Cortney Sellers [mailto:cortney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 5:48 PM To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [webproducers] Re: creating accessible websites and how it im pacts the project life cycle Well, I didn't mean to stir up so much. Being disabled, I have dealt with my fair share of accessibility issues. There are multiple laws for this -- section 504 and 508 are just 2 pieces of the puzzle from two separate laws passed in different decades. Now granted the courts have not set forth a precedent that "virtual space" is covered as well as noted below. However, as the web infiltrates into everyone's daily lives more and further becomes a cornerstone of access to business products and services -- one day that decision may very well be made a mandate. The set of regulations in place through Section 508 for Federal and State agencies to do so is a step in that direction. Why not plan for it ahead of time and let physically challenged people into the web sphere created and potentially avoid massive recoding later down the road? "Also, although private web sites are not required to comply with the accessibility standards, they really have an incentive to do so: By creating web sites that are accessible to the disabled, companies will reach a potentially larger audience than if they did not do so." - Doug Isenberg, GigaLaw.com The ADA has very specific regulations for many things including businesses and their accessibility factors. I found this quote on a gov site which details the regulations re federal funding... http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/websites2.htm " The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) and, if the government entities receive Federal funding, the Rehabilitation Act of 1973, generally require that State and local governments provide qualified individuals with disabilities equal access to their programs, services, or activities unless doing so would fundamentally alter the nature of their programs, services, or activities or would impose an undue burden." Under the ADA, the red letter comment can apply to ANY business through Title III non-discrimination addendum. That is the foundation of my original statements. http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/ada/reg3a.html Sec.36.101 Purpose. The purpose of this part is to implement title III of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12181), which prohibits discrimination on the basis of disability by public accommodations and requires places of public accommodation and commercial facilities to be designed, constructed, and altered in compliance with the accessibility standards established by this part. Here are some interesting articles from a legal perspective regarding website accessibility: ----- What Internet Companies Must Know about the Americans with Disabilities Act Summary: Internet companies should be familiar with the Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) not only to create physical offices that accommodate their disabled employees, but also, perhaps, to create Internet products that accommodate their customers. For example, in one case, the National Federation of the Blind sued America Online alleging that AOL's Internet service was inaccessible to the blind. This article explains the ADA. http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2000-all/towns-2000-12-all.html ----- Websites as Places of Public Accommodation Under the ADA Summary: The Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) requires that companies take steps to ensure the public has access to their goods and services. How (and whether) the ADA applies to companies' websites is an issue a number of courts have addressed. This article discusses how the courts have interpreted the ADA's "public accommodation" requirement on the Internet. http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2003-all/towns-2003-09-all.html ----- Questions and Answers About the U.S. Disability Standards for Web Sites Summary: New U.S. standards require web sites operated by federal agencies to be accessible to people with disabilities. The standards were enacted under Section 508 of the Rehabilitation Act, a law that applies to the federal government's procurement of certain technologies. Although the standards do not directly apply to private-sector web sites, the standards clearly affect the high-tech industry because they are expected to increase by $1 billion the amount the U.S. government spends each year on information technology. This list of questions and answers about the standards is based on an interview of GigaLaw.com founder Doug Isenberg <http://www.gigalaw.com/about/editorialboard.html> by Andy King, newsletter editor of WebReference.com. http://www.gigalaw.com/articles/2001-all/isenberg-2001-06b-all.html Cortney ::passing soap box back to Morry in case anyone needs it in the future:: -----Original Message----- From: webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ari Feldman Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 4:01 PM To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [webproducers] Re: creating accessible websites and how it im pacts the project life cycle Yes, I believe that's the case too. Otherwise, it wouldn't really be enforcable except against the big players who would be natural targets for lawsuits due to their size and bank accounts. --- "Brad B. McCormick" <mccormickb@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Actually, I believe the websites recieving any kind of FEDERAL > FUNDING have > to be accessible; that is, abide by the 508 standards. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cortney Sellers [mailto:cortney@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 4:18 PM > To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [webproducers] Re: creating accessible websites and how it > impacts the project life cycle > > > One note here that may be of interest to all.... > > Website accessibility is required by federal law. While this is the > case, > some precedents are now being set which lay the groundwork for how > accessible one has to be. > > It would be a great additional knowledge base for any web producer to > have > in their toolbox. Many of the things are simple, easy to implement, > and > beneficial in multiple ways. > > The trick will be to know that your team has a clear understanding of > accessibility from each of their tasks: design, development, testing, > etc. > > Cortney > > > -----Original Message----- > From: webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > [mailto:webproducers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of tonyzeoli > Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 11:04 PM > To: webproducers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [webproducers] Re: creating accessible websites and how it > impacts > the project life cycle > > I'm assuming that he means what does is cost in extra development > time to > take into consideration accessibility issues, for example making the > site > compliant for the hearing or visibly impaired with either text or > audio that > > can be accessed automatically when you visit a web site. > > I don't have any resources, but I'll look around. I did learn a > little about > > this in my last semester at NYU. > > These types of issues are really relevant to the health care industry > or the > > government, whose regulations require that web sites need to be > accessible > for the elderdly and the handicapped. > > Tony Z. > > Zahid, > > is there a chance you can re-phrase your wording. > > > > "creating accessible websites impact on the project life cycle" -- > quite > > possible it's me don't understand this. > > Please elaborate. > > > > Sergei > > > > ******** > > Can anyone give me some advice on the subject creating accessible > websites > > impact on the project life cycle? > > > Any useful thoughts, websites, books and resources would be > appreciated. > > > > > > still had no responses hmmmm .......... 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