Thanks! That does. And I will look for the article on that list. I = was sort of poking fun at myself for getting so uptight aobut one behavior = that we don't even really need right now. For some reason, it really does bug = me. /smile/ I have been doing something like what you suggest to practice heeling in = the house or courtyard or even when we go for our potty walk or take out the trash. That street is pretty quiet, so I don't worry about car-related disasters. I do work on it intermittently at the playground (now swamp) when there are not too many distractions. She's learning to manage it = much better when I theoretically have her on heel in a store of some such, = but she does need frequent reminders not to go off impulse shopping. = /smile/ Now if I could teach her to remind me not to do that. Every now and = then I still go nuts about not knowing what stuff *is* and have a heck of a = time keeping myself from pawing everything I can get my hands on. At least I know where Mitsy gets it, eh? The echo-location device sounds way cool. Who needs instructions, = anyway? /smile/ Does it vibrate in your hand to alert you to objects, or how = does that work? Tami Smith-Kinney -----Original Message----- From: vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:vi-clicker-trainers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of bcpaws4me Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 1:23 PM To: Vi-clicker Subject: (VICT) Heeling Tamara are you also on the OCAD list on yahoogroups? Operant = Conditioning=20 assistance Dogs There was an excellent post the other day by the list owner on heeling = and=20 how/why we can go so wrong with it. It is as she said harder to train = than=20 the skills often times. Oh do I agree! Met was much easier for me = partially=20 because I did not also need a guide cane but what she posted with = getting=20 rid of the leash and practicing in a safe place- in your home, in an=20 enclosed yard, etc is awesome. As soon as Thane is back on normal food I = plan to do it because I can first get rid of the cane and leash. Its all = about training for position rather than the leash itself. I hope this = can=20 help you a bit if your not on that list. I also just got the mini-guide from the Sendero company. It does=20 echo-location alerting which I hope will help me work better with Thane. = Of=20 course it is a device designed for the blind where the compan ydid not=20 provide the documentation in alternative format so it will be a bit = before I can use it... big sigh For a deaf-blind person I think this will make me feel much safer with=20 street crossings and parking lots when I have to enter them too (without = Thane) Karyn and Thane=20