Hi everyone! If you think it is bad under MS (which it is, granted), it is not much better under Apple. They own your computing experience. Granted, their products have an edge on quality and user friendliness, but you have little freedom. If it is not Apple approved then you cannot install it or plug it in or develop it or sell it. And if they decide to ignore a problem (even a hardware one) then you are stuck. It took months and several fires before Apple did anything about one of their laptop’s batteries — and it was not a very consumer-friendly resolution. The customer had to jump through hoops to get a replacement (and it may not have been free, either). My point is that neither Microsoft nor Apple are “the best” at consumer satisfaction. Depending on your needs and expectations, one of them would be the least painful choice. As far as I am concerned, the best experience comes from choosing Linux. You have so many choices there and it is all mostly free. The community support is (usually) second to none in responding to questions and problems. It is not ideal but it is getting better every year. You can even run many Linux distros using a USB pen or CD so that nothing touches your actual system. No need to worry about viruses, malware, crapware, etc. When you shutdown your computer, your system is back to its pristine state the next time you boot it up. You can run most Windows applications using WINE (free) or Crossover (http://www.codeweavers.com/products/; $59.95), but you will need very few Windows products because people have created Linux equivalents for most things from email programs to high-end graphic designs (competing with Adobe Photoshop) and they are all free. Is everything perfect in Linux? No, of course not — nothing is perfect in any of the different camps. Is it better to pay $$$ for Windows or Apple’s OSX and have horrible bugs and major security gaps, or be forced into a horrible interface (Windows 8)? Do I want to pay a lot more for an Apple computer and then be forced to buy overpriced Apple-approved products for such? Or is it better to try something like one of the many Linux distros (some even look and act like Windows, but without the hassles). We have choices. Have a wonderful weekend! -= Victor =- Infrastructure Analyst 803-217-9436 |Cell: 803-331 5578 From: triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:triadtechtalk-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jim Moss Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:08 AM To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Microsoft Security Essentials Falters! On 12/3/2012 1:35 PM, Howard wrote: It must be the American updates and settings, no problem here ... so far!!! .. [Smile] Howard in ON. CAN. From: brian<mailto:brian99@xxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2012 2:31 PM To: triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:triadtechtalk@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: [triadtechtalk] Re: Microsoft Security Essentials Falters! Howard & Chuck, Thanks for the replies. I wonder what Armando thinks? Brian ============= On 12/2/2012 1:45 PM, ChasM49@xxxxxxx<mailto:ChasM49@xxxxxxx> wrote: you and those costumers are very lucky...... MS essentials has some of the biggest bloopers on going and no fix found to date...... do a google search and see what comes up... it started a few months back with some screwed up up dates and then wont allow any updates to it nor can you remove it or repair and if you do succeed in removing it then cant get it to re-install..... I dumped it and now find windows defender is back in gear.... am using win7 64 bit... but then have to ask... where is MSEE on win 8.... nope.. not used and cant install it there it uses windows defender....try and talk to anyone at MS by real time phone and you end up with MUMBAI...... and they have no idea whatsoever as to what is.. the MS VIP tech's all say go see MS.... I dumped it as it wont allow me to reinstall plus the weird update screw up made some changes to the services settings... big one was the windows installer service... set it to stopped..... and again... no idea why that happened...... all this came about when MS went to their lookout any day and time updates and you get them even tho settings may say only download and not install..... some of the updates had to be installed one at a time in D/L and install... then restart and next one D/L and install....and that was by MS tech advice...... . and I sure as heck aint the only one with the problem.... do the google search and will be one ginat messed up eye opener..... it isvery disappointing as I was an early user and did think highly of it... now...... add win 8 to the facotrs... and fore.... MS sucks.... garbage trash junk.... with win 8 you have no ownership on your pc..... MS owns you in all ways....... slow but sure am seriously looking at apple chuck...in Ok In a message dated 12/2/2012 1:17:21 P.M. Central Standard Time, hbint@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:hbint@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes: haven’t seen any problems with it on my many customers computers, so I will continue to install unless I get some problems, It works fine for me also. Jim Moss