[thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
- From: "Serge Tumanyan" <SLTumanyan@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:44:53 +0400
Hello, Roger.
I would be glad to tell you about this, but the problem is that I do not know
what application I shall decide to script next and why. I am not a contractor
for Thunder scripts, I am simply a scriptor who is doing what is or could be
interesting to him - so I really do not know what would be interesting to me
next time - no obligations, no plans just working on things that are
interesting to me. Now Total Commander is an interesting application for me,
but I can loose interest to it tomorrow for example or two months later.
The suggestions I have told are mostly general and can help me and other
scriptors to make scripts for most applications present on the market.
With best regards,
Serge Tumanyan.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:42 PM
Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
> Yes you have, of course. But I still don't know what applications etc you
> want to script and what you think users will need. You could say iTunes,
> Messenger, etc.
>
> Roger.
>
> Roger Wilson-Hinds
> Director
> Screenreader.net CIC
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
> Sent: 19 June 2009 21:17
> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>
> Hello, Roger.
>
> May be I am wrong, but it seems to me that I have provided more then
> accurate and exact description of functions that I am lacking in Thunder as
> a scriptor, haven't I?
>
> The letter you have answered is simply an add on to my previous letters on
> this topic.
>
> With best regards,
> Serge Tumanyan.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 6:21 PM
> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>
>
>> Hi Serje,
>>
>> I am still hoping to hear what specific things you want Thunder to do
> which
>> it does not do now. Of lcourse I like the plug-ins idea but which ones and
>> to what purpose for our users.
>>
>> Have a great weekend.
>>
>> Roger.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On
>> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
>> Sent: 08 June 2009 13:12
>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>
>> Roger,
>>
>> if we are talking about the ideas, I also would suggest to add an ability
> to
>> enhance Thunder through not only scripts - it one side of enhancements,
> but
>> also through the plugins development. for instace imagine: you can write a
>> dll that can do some work and in addition you can write a script that can
>> perform another part of work. If Thunder could have andstandard API for
>> plugin development this could boost the functionality a lot.
>>
>> To distinguish between the plugins - the name of the plugin can match the
>> name of the application as script files do now.
>>
>> With best regards,
>> Serge Tumanyan.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 2:52 PM
>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>
>>
>>> Is it possible you have a list of practical things you would like Thunder
>> to
>>> do that it does not do currently. It would be great to build such a list
>> and
>>> work through it over time. For instance, Total Commander: Someone may
> have
>>> had a go at this one in the past. What won't Thunder do here at present?
>
>>>
>>> We might even be able to get a ialog going between scripters and the
>>> developer if we can put together a few good ideas which will help users.
>>>
>>> Have a good day.
>>>
>>> Roger.
>>>
>>> Roger Wilson-Hinds
>>> Director
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>>> 7 The Rookery
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>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On
>>> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
>>> Sent: 08 June 2009 10:16
>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: [thunder] Thunder enhancements was: Re: Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>
>>> Hello, Roger.
>>>
>>> I simply like to make anything work better. Now I am working on JAWS
>> scripts
>>> for Total Commander file manager and wanted also to make similar scripts
>> for
>>> Thunder, but ran into trouble due to the reasons I have already
> mentioned.
>>> It does not mean that I shall develop scripts only for Total Commander -
>> now
>>> I am interested in developing such scripts, a year later I may be
>> interested
>>> to develop some other scripts and so on.
>>>
>>> One more thing I would like to see in Thunder as a end-scriptor is the
>>> ability to use SendMessage and PostMessage functions through some kind of
>> a
>>> wrapper - sometimes it is more effective then using MSAA. And having a
>>> wrapper for some interface creating functions like creating windows or
>>> adding to such windows some controls would really helpfull. On one hand
>> you
>>> will not be forced to make Thuncer more complicated then it is, on
> another
>>> hand an end scriptor can decide if he needs to use some additional
>> interface
>>> windows for some of user settings if needed. Say, an starting user is
>> using
>>> a simple Thuncer but a more professional user could want to use some
>>> complicated scripts from third party scriptors and will be able to have
>>> enhanced functionality for his needs.
>>>
>>> With best regards,
>>> Serge Tumanyan.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 12:38 PM
>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thank you Serge. Most helpful and I will pass this on, of course. It
>> would
>>>> help me to know what you want to achieve, what scripts you want to
> create
>>>> and, from the user point of view, what benefits there will be?
>>>>
>>>> We do appreciate your willingness to work with Thunder. Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> Roger.
>>>>
>>>> Roger Wilson-Hinds
>>>> Director
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>>>> 7 The Rookery
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>>>> Peterborough
>>>> PE2 6YT
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Serge Tumanyan
>>>> Sent: 07 June 2009 21:58
>>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>>
>>>> Hello, Roger.
>>>>
>>>> Here are some of my thoughts about what could be good to add to Thunder
>>> from
>>>> scripting side to increase functionality for the scriptors.
>>>> 1. The ability to get an MSAA object from the focused window.
>>>> 2. The ability to get MSAA object from any window by its handle.
>>>> 3. To wrap window handling functions from WUI such as GetFocus,
> SetFocus,
>>>> GetWindowName, GetWindowText and similar.
>>>> 4. Adding the ability to use JScript together with VBScript.
>>>>
>>>> If this will be realized - you will benefit from third party scripts
>>>> developed. I ran into serious trouble writing scripts without these
>>>> functions and abilities.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you.
>>>>
>>>> With best regards,
>>>> Serge Tumanyan.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Roger Wilson-Hinds" <roger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> To: <thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 6:26 PM
>>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hello Andrew. Roger here.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please it would help greatly if you were willing to be more specific
>>> about
>>>>> how Thunder is falling behind. I try to keep up with NVDA too but don't
>>>> see
>>>>> that they have made significant progress in accessing MS Office or the
>>> web
>>>>> etc. I would like to be able to talk to someone who uses NVDA all the
>>> time
>>>>> as their main screenreader as our Thunder users do. The people I hear
>>> from
>>>>> just use it as a backup for JAWS. Nothing wrong there, of course.
>>>>>
>>>>> So what should we be doing? Over the Autumn we plan to improve access
>> to
>>>>> the web with both WebbIE and IE. Also, as we get funding, we want to
>>>>> increase the number of available languages.
>>>>>
>>>>> Going back to NVDA, I can't see how huge progress can be made without a
>>>>> scripting option.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your comments will be very helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have a good weekend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Roger Wilson-Hinds
>>>>> Director
>>>>> Screenreader.net CIC
>>>>> 7 The Rookery
>>>>> Orton Wistow
>>>>> Peterborough
>>>>> PE2 6YT
>>>>> Tel 01733 234441
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Andrew Ireland
>>>>> Sent: 06 June 2009 20:57
>>>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [thunder] Re: Thunder and Uac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I totally agree, I do not see the point of having the very basic
> control
>>>>> panel on the desktop all the time. Surely it would make perfect sense
>> to
>>>>> hide it to the system tray, and set a hot key up to bring it back on
>>>> screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regarding UAC, I guess the only way to find out is to try it, if I get
> a
>>>>> chance I will have a look at that.
>>>>>
>>>>> I haven't really looked at Thunder for sometime, as I feel it is
> falling
>>>>> behind, as NVDA is now streets a head!
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:thunder-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Kevin Cussick
>>>>> Sent: 06 June 2009 20:50
>>>>> To: thunder@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [thunder] Thunder and Uac.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if anyone knows if thunder works with Uac?
>>>>>
>>>>> Nvda does but would like to know if thunder does.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would also ask you all what you think of thunders control panel?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been asking for years if it's possible to put an option to hide
>>>>> the control panel to the system tray!!
>>>>>
>>>>> It would seem that I'm not the only one who would covint this feature,
>>>>> so come on all as your moderator I urge you to give your thoughts on
>>>>> this feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>>> Kevin Cussick.
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