[THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing
- From: "Chris Lynch" <lynch00@xxxxxxx>
- To: "'TheThin. net'" <THIN@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 19:04:54 -0700
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Lucas,
I don't mean to flame nor come off on the wrong side, but you really =
need to
re-read the licensing model from Microsoft. The ONLY Per User mode of
licensing is with Windows Server 2003 CALs. That's it. Everything else
(Office included) is on a Per Device/Machine basis. Believe me when I =
say
this, as I have been a few arguments of lately with my boss about this.
Chris=20
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From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On =
Behalf
Of Lucas Boyken
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:13 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Importance: High
In a sense, Office XP is licensed from Microsoft on a per user basis.
However, with that being said, the program installs on a per device =
basis.
When installing it on TS, you are right...you can access it from any =
station
that has a TSCAL. Metering software allows you to stay within the =
letter of
the law. Merely stated, you are only going to allow as many users to =
access
those programs as you have licenses for.
Microsoft doesn't like Metering software, but it is a heck of a lot =
better
than installing one copy of Office XP for 100 users. It is far better =
to
have a software metering package that logs, keeps track, and limits user
usage. If you call and ask Microsoft, they will tell you Office is =
licensed
on a per user basis (If it was per device, than by law you would only =
need
one copy for your TS application regardless if the number of users =
accessing
it. Also, in my dealings with Microsoft's licensing dept., I have =
noticed
they have a propensity to change their mind from time to time. We just
found out that in TS applications, only the File Server needs file =
sharing
CALs. Before Microsoft insisted that every server accessed by users =
must
have the appropriate file sharing CALs for the user pop. That is
ridiculous...thus they have changed their tune). Metering software =
gives
you the ability to curtail the number of licenses you purchase. Thus,
instead of buying 100 XP Office licenses, you could get by purchasing 35 =
or
so. You will notice that not every user has every application open all =
day
long. Usually you have several users using Excel, some using Word and =
so
on. It is legal and cost effective...and due to the logging and user
restriction you are covering yourself from any potential legal =
quandaries.
Respectfully,
Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical Representative lboyken@xxxxxxxxx Company =
Phone:
800.222.7601 Office Phone: 515.332.2751
Fax: 515.332.5687
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From: Selinger, Stephen [mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 1:06 PM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing
Lucas,
Thanks for the speedy reply. Maybe it is just me but I can not =
understand
why Micrsoft would license Office XP on a per device basis and then =
license
Windows 2003 which delivers the office application in a per user
configuration. It should either be one or the other. It does not make
sense that a user can connect to a server desktop from multiple devices =
with
a Windows 2003 per user TSCAL but can not use Microsoft Office unless =
they
have purchased a license for every device that they will connect from =
even
if that device is used for 5 minutes or every day of the year. =3D20
- - From what I understand it would be possible to access other non
Microsoft applications from multiple devices provided they have a per =
user
TSCAL. It is impossible to manage licensing in this manner as terminal
services and Citrix provide access to applications from any where and =
any
device on the Internet. It is pretty hard to say to a user that they =
can
use certain non MS applications on any device but they can only use
Microsoft Office from certain devices that are licensed for office. It
would be great to purchase a hundred Office XP per user licenses and =
allow
the users to connect via terminal services to these applications from =
any
device. Am I just a dreamer or have other people on this list =
struggling
with this issue as well.=3D20
I was also under the impression that certain agreements like Select 6 do =
not
allow for the ability to meter software. I will research this but does
anyone know if this is true. Don't take this the wrong way but I do not =
see
how metering avoids the issue of requiring a Office XP license for every
device that uses Office via terminal services. Please feel free to =
correct
me if I am mistaken. What are other companies doing to provide remote
access via terminal services and/or Citrix from the Internet in regards =
to
MS application licensing?
Regards,
Stephen
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From: Lucas Boyken [mailto:lboyken@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20
Sent: June 26, 2003 11:32 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing
We had similar questions on a recent install of 2000 TS (before 2003 was =
=3D3D
available). In our discussions with Microsoft we were told that we need =
=3D3D
a license available for each user that would be using that product. =
=3D3D
I.E. we needed to have licenses available for each =3D instance of an =
office
=3D3D product running on our TS server. Instead of buying a license for =
every
=3D3D single employee at this company (this wasn't feasable or cost =
=3D3D
effective), we elected to use Metering software. =3D You will often =
hear me
=3D3D tout Metrix Express Metering software. It works like a library, =
you =3D3D
check in and out licenses for the specfic =3D program you want. Your =
user =3D3D
population is limited to the number of licenses avaible through the =
=3D3D
metering software. If you have 20 licenses, all =3D in use, the 21 user =
is =3D3D
asked to wait for the next available license to =3D be free. You can =
also =3D3D
set this software up for certain individuals to have priority or VIP =
=3D3D
status, thus giving them a license from someone else. Also, the =3D3D
reporting in this software is great. At the end of the day, Microsoft =
=3D3D
wants you to buy more than you need to by law.
Metering software, =3D3D regardless if it is Metrix or not, will help =
you use
the law to your =3D3D advantage. I suggest you look into it.
Respectfully,
Lucas W. Boyken
Computer Systems Associates
Account Manager / Technical Representative lboyken@xxxxxxxxx Company =
Phone:
800.222.7601 Office Phone: 515.332.2751
Fax: 515.332.5687
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From: Selinger, Stephen [mailto:SSelinger@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:09 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Windows 2003 and Office XP Licensing
Good Morning,
I understand that Windows 2003 has per user TS CAL licensing which seems =
=3D3D
like a great thing if you have users who will access your terminal =3D =
=3D3D
servers from more then one device. Now what happens if the users want =
=3D =3D3D
to use Microsoft Office from multiple devices. Is Microsoft Office XP =
=3D =3D3D
in a Windows 2003 per user terminal services environment still licensed =
=3D3D
on a per device basis or can it be licensed on a per use basis =3D =
similar =3D3D
to TS CALS. For example I have a worker who works from home but =3D3D
occasionally needs to use Microsoft Office when he is at an Internet =
=3D3D
caf=3D3DE9. Do I have to purchase a office license for each device at =
the =3D
=3D3D Internet caf=3D3DE9. Maybe I am missing something but why would =
Microsoft
=3D =3D3D license TS CALS on a per user basis but only license office on =
a per
=3D3D device basis. I apologize if this was a dumb question.=3D3D20
Stephen
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