[THIN] Re: Office and legalities

That's not true Jeremy.  The paper I linked explains that it's not true.  It
used to be that way but not anymore.


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On 9/29/06, Jeremy Saunders <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: 

I'm not 100% sure about that one as the OEM or Retail license means that
the device still has a license. But yes, if you've got Pro installed on
your Terminal/Citrix Server, then they'll need Pro at home.

Microsoft Office licenses are per device, not user. Therefore, every
device
that connects to your Terminal/Citrix Servers must have a license.

The only way to control this is to use Appsense Application Manager, which
has been certified by Microsoft for this purpose. Changing NTFS
permissions, etc, is not acceptable in Microsoft's eyes.

It took us 6 months to get this clarified by Microsoft. Even the licensing
people had to go away and think about it because they couldn't understand
their own licensing agreement. They all have their own interpretation. In
the end we had several Microsoft people in the To and CC fields of this
e-mail that went backwards and forwards as we were sick and tired of
getting different answers.

So now whenever we do a deployment where a customer does not have an
Enterprise or Select agreement, we will sell them Appsense Application
Manager. In Australia that works out to be about $2,500 per server. There
is a whitepaper on the Appsense web site discussing this.

Cheers.

Kind regards,

Jeremy Saunders
Senior Technical Specialist

Infrastructure Technology Services
(ITS) & Cerulean
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IBM Australia
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I spoke to Microsoft about this and they where even more particular
about this. They said the home version had to be the same version
(Standard/Pro)and had to be the same license model E.G Open Business. Of
course most people with home computers are going to have OEM or Retail.
They said they did make exceptions for one time uses at Kiosks.

Matthew Shrewsbury, MCSE+Internet MCSE 2000 CCA Server+
Network Manager

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From home is a different story. I thought your email referred to work
PC's. Either way, home PC's would have to have a licensed copy of Office
installed to access Office from a Terminal Server OR Citrix, whatever
your case may be.


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OK...Here's the hitch..It says that if "the device" is licensed, it can
run in  TS too.  Most of my home users do not have office, therefore
their "device" is not licensed.  Thus the requirement to purchase
another copy of office.  Our work laptops are licensed so they get a
free ride.

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That document is straight from Microsoft's website.

Remember with microsoft, you can ask 3 different licensing experts and
get
4 different answers.  This paper is in writing.



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On 9/29/06, Adam.Baum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <Adam.Baum@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote:
Interesting...where did you get this info?  We had MS come right in
and
tell us we were not in compliance with licensing for Office.

adam




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Huh, that's not what the documentation says. It says that if a device
is
licensed and has office installed, then that device is allowed to run
office from a terminal server session. Directly from the doc -




Q.
Once a device is licensed for a Desktop Application can I use that
application both locally on the device and through Terminal Services?

A.
Yes.  A Desktop Application license gives the licensee the right to
locally install the software and also to use the same software through
Terminal Services. The licensee, however, is not required to locally
install the software and, in the case of Terminal Services, local
installation may not be technically possible or desired.

Q.
If I already have a device is license for a Desktop Application, what
additional licenses do I need to use that device as a remote client
within a Terminal Services environment?

A.
If the device owned by the end user is already licensed for the
Desktop
Application software, only the Windows Server and Terminal Services
licenses are necessary for remote Terminal Services usage of that
Desktop Application.


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We found out the hard way (from Microsoft) that Office licensing in a
TS
environment is not so simple.  MS does not offer a special licensing
program for Office.  If your MF users also have Office on their
desktops, then you will need additional licenses to use it in the TS
world.  We have
500+ metaframe users who have Office on their work desktops.
Microsoft
came back and said we need an additional license for each user if they
want to run it from metaframe.  We ended up publishing Office to only
those users/workgroups that purchased the additional licensing.  The
bulk of our users get the Office viewers when they remote in.

By the way, these are NOT concurrent licenses.  They must be per user
and limited to those users who have purchased the additional licenses.

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Can I get some people to weigh in on the following scenario? -


With a published application environment, you can restrict who gets
access to what. If you don't want someone running office on a Citrix
box, then you can prevent them from running Office on a Citrix box. So
let's say I have 5 MS office 2003 licenses. I install it and publish
it
for 5 users in the farm. Am I legal within those boundaries from a
Microsoft licensing perspective? Enviroment is Win2003 TS with PS 4.0



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