L.A.S.T. That's awesome Jan! -----Original Message----- From: Jan Broucinek [mailto:tinybeetle@xxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:54 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor Well, with MF XP you could do that. You can have as many servers as you want. Just think a L.A.S.T. Cluster (Large Array of Stale Technology)! Jan Broucinek, System Manager Arthur Rutenberg Homes, Inc. (727) 536-5900 voice (727) 536-7168 x245 direct (727) 538-9089 fax www.arhomes.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx> To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:40 AM Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor > > Cool. I would only need 125 of those for my 500 user farm. :) > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jan Broucinek [mailto:tinybeetle@xxxxxxxxx] > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:32 AM > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor > > > You laugh. I have a test server that is a clone P166MMX with 128MB of RAM > and an IDE hard drive. I can successfully get 4 users on that with no real > problems or horrible slow-down. Yes it is slower, but not unbearable. > > Jan Broucinek, System Manager > Arthur Rutenberg Homes, Inc. > (727) 536-5900 voice > (727) 536-7168 x245 direct > (727) 538-9089 fax > www.arhomes.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx>> To: <thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>> Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:24 AM> Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor>>> >> > How many Citrix users do you get on that 4 year old Gateway (Pentium133)> > server? LOL!> >> > Brian> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> > From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:JStockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 10:11 AM> > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor> >> >> >> > If you have 3 servers (as in the original post) and on the same day, all> > three go down (as in the original post). You have 100% failure. He had> > 2 extra power supply units, so he got two of them back up. This is> > still a 33% failure. I have a Gateway server that has been up for 4> > years. It only goes down when I take it down. That is 100% uptime.> > The reason of failure on these machines is the power supply unit, that> > makes it the servers fault. If it were blue screens from drivers, the> > 3! 60 would not be to blame. A power supply unit is supposed to be the > > most stable part of the computer. My home computer has had the same > > power supply since November 1997. > > Just my experience. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=20 > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:37 AM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor > > > > > > It is 100% failure rate for the power supplies....I never said it > > wasn't. > > My point was, in the year and half that I've had these servers, no one > > server was ever down for more than 4 hours. The only time any one of > > them > > has been down has been for the bad power supply. The replacement power > > supplies have completely resolved that issue. Only 4 hours downtime in > > a > > year is 99% uptime easy....not complete failure as you state. Since I > > have > > so much flexibility and redundancy thanks to the design the DL360, I > > don't > > really care about the short outage. They haven't failed during > > operation, > > only at POST during a reboot and Compaq has been onsite within 4 hours > > to > > replace them when necessary. My other Compaq servers have not been down > > at > > all in the last 1 1/2 years. > > > > Brian > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:JStockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:34 AM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor > > > > > > > > Frank Anderson, said he has had 10 out of 12 fail. That is an 83% > > failure rate. That is a poor average even for a baseball player. The > > original post said 3 out of 3 failures. That is 100% failure rate. > > Yes, I do wish I could let my job performance be judged on those > > standards. I would be making 1 million a year. :) > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20 > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:04 PM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor > > > > > > Hey, stuff happens. Nothing is perfect. Think if your work was judged > > the > > in the same manner you are judging the DL360. If the same standards > > were > > used (zero tolerance for failure) then you would probably be out of a > > job. > > Even with the bad power supplies (which are now fixed) they are still > > great > > servers. They are still my server of choice for the level of > > flexibility > > they offer. I haven't had any power supply failures once they have been > > replaced. Compared to any of the Dell, HP, or IBM servers, the Compaq > > servers rock. With exception to the power supply failures on the > > DL360s, > > I've had zero problems with my any of my Compaq servers. With the > > redundancy that I have built in thanks to the inexpensive DL360s, the > > impact > > from the power supply failures has been minimal. The DL360s have still > > achieve 99% uptime even with the faulty power supplies at a fraction of > > the > > cost of big servers. > > > > Brian > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Anderson, Frank [mailto:Frank.Anderson@xxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:09 PM > > To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor > > > > > > > > To add: > > > > 10 power supply replacements out of 12 here. > > > > -Frank > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:EZiots@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:21 PM > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor > > > > > > > > Yep,=3D3D20 > > > > I have had 5 at my site go bad also, I think there was a previous thread > > =3D3D > > on > > this, I never trusted the Pizza boxes that much anyways, and the Compaq > > Folks was in my datacenter getting serial numbers for the units that = > > =3D3D > > haven't > > failed yet, to get the fix for em.=3D3D20 > > > > Word to the wise, GO WITH THE CHEAP STUFF, GET THE CHEAP RESULTS.=3D3D20 > > > > EZ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mason Dively [mailto:mdively@xxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:52 AM > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor > > > > > > Wow!! That is hilarious!! Its funny because I understand your pain--we > > have about 10 of those bad boys and have had to replace the power =3D3D > > supplies > > on all but 1 or 2. Compaq has a Service Advisory about these being > > defective in a portion of the 360's, but the kicker is they won't =3D3D > > replace > > the power supply until it goes bad--so basically you have to wait until > > =3D3D > > your > > server dies!! =3D3D20 > > > > Thanks, > > =3D3D20 > > Mason B. Dively MCP,CCA > > Amdocs CMI Windows Administration > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20 > > Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:41 AM > > To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' > > Subject: [THIN] OT: DL360 almost humor > > > > > > For those that remember the threads a few weeks ago about = > > DL360s...=3D3D20 > > > > I had purchased 3 of them almost a year ago. They sat humming quietly = > > =3D > > =3D3D > > along > > in my datacenter. I never had a problem. Until this morning. I came = > > =3D > > =3D3D > > in to > > find one down. Tried to boot it, and it said the power supply was bad. > > Thankfully I keep a spare. Replaced it, rebooted, all was good. As it > > =3D3D > > was > > coming up, a second one suddenly powered down. I said "hmmm...." and = > > =3D > > =3D3D > > tried > > to power it back up. Bad power supply! I pulled one of my test 360s = > > =3D > > =3D3D > > and > > yanked the power supply from it, and got that one rebooting. As it was > > coming up... you guessed it, the 3rd died. I swear, it was so funny I = > > =3D > > =3D3D > > had > > to laugh. They actually died in the same order they had been activated > > =3D3D > > in, > > one right after the other. I felt like I was on Bloopers or something! > > =3D3D > > The > > third, sadly, is down until I can get a replacement power supply. 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