If you have 3 servers (as in the original post) and on the same day, all three go down (as in the original post). You have 100% failure. He had 2 extra power supply units, so he got two of them back up. This is still a 33% failure. I have a Gateway server that has been up for 4 years. It only goes down when I take it down. That is 100% uptime. The reason of failure on these machines is the power supply unit, that makes it the servers fault. If it were blue screens from drivers, the 360 would not be to blame. A power supply unit is supposed to be the most stable part of the computer. My home computer has had the same power supply since November 1997. Just my experience. -----Original Message----- From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 9:37 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor It is 100% failure rate for the power supplies....I never said it wasn't. My point was, in the year and half that I've had these servers, no one server was ever down for more than 4 hours. The only time any one of them has been down has been for the bad power supply. The replacement power supplies have completely resolved that issue. Only 4 hours downtime in a year is 99% uptime easy....not complete failure as you state. Since I have so much flexibility and redundancy thanks to the design the DL360, I don't really care about the short outage. They haven't failed during operation, only at POST during a reboot and Compaq has been onsite within 4 hours to replace them when necessary. My other Compaq servers have not been down at all in the last 1 1/2 years. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Stockard [mailto:JStockard@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 6:34 AM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor Frank Anderson, said he has had 10 out of 12 fail. That is an 83% failure rate. That is a poor average even for a baseball player. The original post said 3 out of 3 failures. That is 100% failure rate. Yes, I do wish I could let my job performance be judged on those standards. I would be making 1 million a year. :) -----Original Message----- From: brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:brian.hill@xxxxxxxxx]=3D20 Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 4:04 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor Hey, stuff happens. Nothing is perfect. Think if your work was judged the in the same manner you are judging the DL360. If the same standards were used (zero tolerance for failure) then you would probably be out of a job. Even with the bad power supplies (which are now fixed) they are still great servers. They are still my server of choice for the level of flexibility they offer. I haven't had any power supply failures once they have been replaced. Compared to any of the Dell, HP, or IBM servers, the Compaq servers rock. With exception to the power supply failures on the DL360s, I've had zero problems with my any of my Compaq servers. With the redundancy that I have built in thanks to the inexpensive DL360s, the impact from the power supply failures has been minimal. The DL360s have still achieve 99% uptime even with the faulty power supplies at a fraction of the cost of big servers. Brian -----Original Message----- From: Anderson, Frank [mailto:Frank.Anderson@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 3:09 PM To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor To add: 10 power supply replacements out of 12 here. -Frank -----Original Message----- From: Ziots, Edward [mailto:EZiots@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 1:21 PM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor Yep,=3D3D20 I have had 5 at my site go bad also, I think there was a previous thread =3D3D on this, I never trusted the Pizza boxes that much anyways, and the Compaq Folks was in my datacenter getting serial numbers for the units that = =3D3D haven't failed yet, to get the fix for em.=3D3D20 Word to the wise, GO WITH THE CHEAP STUFF, GET THE CHEAP RESULTS.=3D3D20 EZ -----Original Message----- From: Mason Dively [mailto:mdively@xxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 11:52 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] Re: OT: DL360 almost humor Wow!! That is hilarious!! Its funny because I understand your pain--we have about 10 of those bad boys and have had to replace the power =3D3D supplies on all but 1 or 2. Compaq has a Service Advisory about these being defective in a portion of the 360's, but the kicker is they won't =3D3D replace the power supply until it goes bad--so basically you have to wait until =3D3D your server dies!! =3D3D20 Thanks, =3D3D20 Mason B. Dively MCP,CCA Amdocs CMI Windows Administration -----Original Message----- From: Stansel, Paul [mailto:Paul.Stansel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]=3D3D20 Sent: Monday, August 12, 2002 10:41 AM To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx' Subject: [THIN] OT: DL360 almost humor For those that remember the threads a few weeks ago about = DL360s...=3D3D20 I had purchased 3 of them almost a year ago. They sat humming quietly = =3D =3D3D along in my datacenter. I never had a problem. Until this morning. I came = =3D =3D3D in to find one down. Tried to boot it, and it said the power supply was bad. Thankfully I keep a spare. Replaced it, rebooted, all was good. As it =3D3D was coming up, a second one suddenly powered down. I said "hmmm...." and = =3D =3D3D tried to power it back up. Bad power supply! I pulled one of my test 360s = =3D =3D3D and yanked the power supply from it, and got that one rebooting. As it was coming up... you guessed it, the 3rd died. I swear, it was so funny I = =3D =3D3D had to laugh. They actually died in the same order they had been activated =3D3D in, one right after the other. I felt like I was on Bloopers or something! =3D3D The third, sadly, is down until I can get a replacement power supply. 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