[THIN] Re: Install Order

Sounds good.
I think that has been one of the most often repeated
best practices with Citrix - install apps after installing
MF. Using change user /install when you do would be another.
Disabling virus protection while you install would be another ( that
one alone I have seen cause lots of problem for IT folk).
There are many more. If you are a perfectionist about pre-production testing
how about using ghost - has saved me lots of time as you can "cleanly"
return system to pre-install of some app that went badly or that you find
out from a vendor was not done according to their specs which perhaps never
was documented to begin with. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Greenberg [mailto:steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 11:38 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order


If you really must have a "rule", go ahead and always install Metaframe
early in the process, test it, overcome any issues and then install
apps.....


Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
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-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 9:05 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order

There will always be best practises for installing, guaranteed.(Why else
would you subscribe to a list service such as this one) Even in a less
complicated non-TS/Cxitrix environment there are best practises you would
want to follow. Yes some installs will require unique things that need to be
done but on the other side of things there will always be items that should
be followed (unless the uniqeness of the app prevents following a specific
type of best practise)as well regardless of how unique the app may happen to
be. To argue that is to like trying to deny 1+1 equals 1. I see no point.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:25:42
To:<thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order


We tailor each installation, and the precise methodology we use, to the
environment we are working on. What I said in the original post is that
there is no absolute best practise and that lately we are tending to install
the apps first. 

What exactly is wrong with that? Isn't it obvious that this means that we
have done it many different ways and don't have one rigid way of doing it?



Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax 
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of RMC - Brian Hill
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 2004 3:03 AM
To: 'thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order

I have to agree.

Brian

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeremy Saunders [mailto:jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 7:34 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order






Steve,

Aren't you then introducing two test plans? One pre Citrix installation and
the other post Citrix installation. As you said, you test all your apps
before you install Citrix. Surely you would then test them all after
installing Citrix because the server states have changed. So how does this
work for a Pilot rollout?

I believe that you should be more trusting of a product that has matured
very well over the years. You should also be confident in your own skills
(and the skills of your team) to fault find any issues.

If you do the Citrix Core Technologies and Architecture course (CTX-6100),
you'll understand how Citrix technology fits in with the elements of
Terminal Services, such as the kernel, drivers, etc.

I'm not having a go at you, nor do I mean to be disrespectful, I just think
your theory is outdated. But if that works for you and provides you with a
method of deploying successful Citrix solutions, then don't let me talk you
out of that comfort zone.

Cheers,
Jeremy.



                                                                           
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This is a lot more than theory, this has been done on many, many servers in
the field!

Your point about drive re-mapping is a good one, you should install
Metaframe first if you plan to re-map, it certainly will break apps if you
try to do it later....


Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Jeremy Saunders
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 2:26 PM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order





Good in theory, but not practical for a standard install method. What if you
are remapping the drives? This should be done before you install the apps,
so that you can test for application compatility, etc. Citrix do not
interfere with the RDP protocol, so you can still test things using RDP to
eliminate Citrix as an issue at a later date.

 Kind regards,
 Jeremy


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There doesn't seem to be an absolute best practise here, but we tend
nowadays to install all the apps and do initial testing with RDP, then
install Metaframe after. This way you can eliminate any issues possibly
introduced by Metaframe (pretty rare though). Also, this way you can capture
an image which can be deployed later by adding it to the domain and
installing Metaframe via script. We like this better because it is cleaner
to install Metaframe anew on each server and join the farm "fresh".

Regards,


Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:thin-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf
Of Joanne Determann
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:37 AM
To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [THIN] Re: Install Order

I asked that question too. I gathered from the responses it doesn't really
matter. I installed all the app after MF and my newest 2003 MF server is
cruising along just peachy.

Now I'm rebuilding an older one. JD

-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Watts [mailto:cgwatts@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:57 AM
To: Thin
Subject: [THIN] Install Order

Is it recommended to install applications before or after installing MPS
3.0?  What is the best practice? TIA

--
Greg Watts
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