[THIN] Re: Install Order
- From: Jeremy Saunders <jeremy.saunders@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: thin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 13:55:08 +0800
Several years. Started with Winframe in about '97. I have been involved in
conversations with peers over the years that go along the same lines as
what you are doing, but I've always resisted, and not allowed the teams
I've been involved with to go down that path.
Obviously in Australia we don't get the farm size of the rest of the world,
but we still aim to have a fully automated server build from bare metal all
the way through to production, with little if any manual steps in the
process.
I don't pretend to be an expert, otherwise I wouldn't bother to use this
list. I recently completed the CCIA courses and all the exams that go with
it. I learnt heaps. But what it did teach me is that the methodology we use
to deploy and implement servers is second to none. Sure we have a problem
with an app every now and then, but when you understand what to look for
and how the technology works you will always work it out.
The problem now days is that people don't have enough confidence in their
own abilities, the abilities of their team, or the software itself. Times
change and people need to move out of their comfort zone and try something
different.
I better stop now. :)
Cheers,
Jeremy.
"Steve Greenberg"
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How much actual field experience do you have?
Steve Greenberg
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Steve,
Aren't you then introducing two test plans? One pre Citrix installation and
the other post Citrix installation. As you said, you test all your apps
before you install Citrix. Surely you would then test them all after
installing Citrix because the server states have changed. So how does this
work for a Pilot rollout?
I believe that you should be more trusting of a product that has matured
very well over the years. You should also be confident in your own skills
(and the skills of your team) to fault find any issues.
If you do the Citrix Core Technologies and Architecture course (CTX-6100),
you'll understand how Citrix technology fits in with the elements of
Terminal Services, such as the kernel, drivers, etc.
I'm not having a go at you, nor do I mean to be disrespectful, I just think
your theory is outdated. But if that works for you and provides you with a
method of deploying successful Citrix solutions, then don't let me talk you
out of that comfort zone.
Cheers,
Jeremy.
"Steve Greenberg"
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This is a lot more than theory, this has been done on many, many servers in
the field!
Your point about drive re-mapping is a good one, you should install
Metaframe first if you plan to re-map, it certainly will break apps if you
try to do it later....
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
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Good in theory, but not practical for a standard install method. What if
you
are remapping the drives? This should be done before you install the apps,
so that you can test for application compatility, etc. Citrix do not
interfere with the RDP protocol, so you can still test things using RDP to
eliminate Citrix as an issue at a later date.
Kind regards,
Jeremy
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There doesn't seem to be an absolute best practise here, but we tend
nowadays to install all the apps and do initial testing with RDP, then
install Metaframe after. This way you can eliminate any issues possibly
introduced by Metaframe (pretty rare though). Also, this way you can
capture
an image which can be deployed later by adding it to the domain and
installing Metaframe via script. We like this better because it is cleaner
to install Metaframe anew on each server and join the farm "fresh".
Regards,
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
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Scottsdale, AZ 85262
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Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2004 6:37 AM
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I asked that question too. I gathered from the responses it doesn't really
matter. I installed all the app after MF and my newest 2003 MF server is
cruising along just peachy.
Now I'm rebuilding an older one. JD
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Is it recommended to install applications before or after installing MPS
3.0? What is the best practice? TIA
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