list...What amazes me equally is that you could manage that in the spaghetti bowl of traffic that is Austin now, just too daunting for this fellow. I agree on the Hornsby "problem" as well...Just so many people putting into the system now that I reckon it will remain that way henceforth....Where else besides Onion Ck WWTP etc. is there for it go??...One good thing is the outflow keep the river running with that "sweet" water when the LCRA closes all dams, especially in the dry summers....Likely some odd catfish , 8 legged frogs etc. down stream though. Yes I am a bit bitter about what the Travis Co. parks system allowed to happen at Big Webberville...I have not been there since mid-Oct. I just can't stand to see how they allowed those huge majestic old pecans to die in such numbers, all the while pouring copious quantities of water onto completely unused soccer fields almost daily...It will never be the same for me at "my" old park, especially in migration...Oh well, it is too late to do anything about it now. Went up to Elgin for some post holiday rat killing at the PO...On a whim I just went on up to Carlson, Manda, almost to New Sweden etc. just to see if there hawks etc. Not much, did find a Lark Bunting...probably the best thing...also a totally smashed DOR owl that from the pale primaries was likely a Short-eared. A handful of Horned Larks, not much else. I was just birding from the truck. I did try with Mr. Owl, to pull in some passerines on Carlson but found that the thin fishing shirt with a T-shirt I was wearing was not even close in keeping me warm...Not to mention the "minnow buckets" (Crocs) I had on my bare feet....Am sure there is far more up there that I completely over-looked. I was also into a radio program I was listening to so was not real focused. Brush Edit your Freelists account settings for TEXBIRDS at //www.freelists.org/list/texbirds Reposting of traffic from TEXBIRDS is prohibited without seeking permission from the List Owner