No I don't have the schematic for this set. These voltages, are they derived from the flyback, if this is the case then of course the shut down ciruit is working because I have the +B disconnected from the HOT. Do you have the ability to scan and send the section in question? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. David. -----Original Message----- From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Wilfred Blakey Sent: Tuesday, December 24, 2002 11:54 AM To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssit] Citizen TV JCTV3034 - Relay Click I just looked at the schematic for this tv and saw the two transistors you mentioned. I t looks like they make up a shut down circuit monitoring the vcc for the audio and the video outputs on the crt neck board. When either voltage quits, the diode D631/632 conduct shutting down the main relay. Do you have the schematic for this set? Blakey TV Kirkland Lake,Ont.,Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Dougherty" <support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 11:03 PM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssit] Citizen TV JCTV3034 - Relay Click Dave, I can't help you with that, I've never worked on this brand....just trying to help from my database. It has been my experience...don't be too picky about the wording. Depending on the value of the part and how far of it is, the symptoms may be slightly different. support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx FAX 717-564-4952 Jeff Dougherty Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts. 501 Luther Rd They may become your words Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment. 717-909-8844 VCR tips, electronics info & general interest. www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com *********************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 10:24 AM Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssit] Citizen TV JCTV3034 - Relay Click Hey Jeff, Thanks but the problem occurs instantly, not after a few minutes. What I really need to know is the function of Q631 & Q632 and how it affects the relay circuit. When I disconnect the emitter of Q631 I can turn the relay on and off. I have not hooked the HOT back to +B. Need to solve one problem at a time. Season's Greetings All! David Lessard mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx Alexandria, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:techassist-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Jeff Dougherty Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 8:57 PM To: techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [TechAssist] Re: [TechAssit] Citizen TV JCTV3034 - Relay Click David, This model number is different, but perhaps will help: >From Tech Repair CD: CITIZEN\JCTV1579\SHUTS DOWN AFTER A FEW MINUTES\\\\LEAKY Q602(2SD1409) CAN USE ECG2540\\\\\\\\ support@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx FAX 717-564-4952 Jeff Dougherty Intrepid Video & Electronics Be careful of your thoughts. 501 Luther Rd They may become your words Harrisburg, PA 17111 any moment. 717-909-8844 VCR tips, electronics info & general interest. www.intrepid-video.com www.tech-repair.net www.thetoolcaddy.com www.9-11-2001tragedy.com *********************************************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lessard" <mrfixit@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <techassist@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2002 12:31 AM Subject: [TechAssist] [TechAssit] Citizen TV JCTV3034 - Relay Click Techs, Push the "ON" button and only a relay clicking, on then off immediately, pushing again does nothing, pushing again does the same relay clicking thing. Found shorted C553 (.33uf/200V) in horizontal circuit (replaced). HOT is OK. Found Q606 (C-E shorted) in +B regulator circuit, replaced. Found baked E-Cap C502 near vertical output heatsink, replaced. Any thoughts? I'm going to seperate and load down (light bulb) the +B to confirm regulation, if OK I'm tempted to bypass the relay and slowly crank up the AC while monitoring the current (+B inline with light bulb). Should I do this? Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated. Thank-you. 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