There was a discussion here a couple of weeks ago where someone had found a way to bypass the pip on a set that it supposedly could not be bypassed. I have a CK35702 that seems to fit that category but can't find it in the archives. If possible please repost this information. Thanks, ************************************************** Jim Myers Since 1972 Telrad Electronic Services Co. Fort Wayne, IN 46815 ************************************************* ***************************************************************************** Lost Password: http://www.tech-assist.org and select "Login Problems?". Email Archives: //www.freelists.org/archives/techassist/