Maybe rubber poles would be a good idea... no, seriously! We had an RTA in Sefton last year which went like this: 1 - Car in lane 2 approaches traffic signals on a dual carriageway, 2 - Pedestrian decides to cross the approach from the nearside to central reservation at the signals, crossing lane 1 then lane 2, 3 - Driver - approaching at 40mph - brakes hard and swerves to the right to avoid the pedestrian, 4 - Pedestrian suddenly realises he is in trouble and runs to the central res, 5 - Meanwhile, the car - while skidding out of control - collides with the off side primary signal pole, demolishing it, 6 - The pole falls rapidly... on top of the pedestrian... rendering him unconscious! In this case, the pole clearly saved the pedestrian from further injury. And to some degree, the less considerate observer may incorporate the words 'justice' and 'poetic' in his/her comments on the mater. Peter Jones Principal Traffic Systems Engineer Phone: +44 (0) 151 934 4254 Fax: +44 (0) 151 922 4514 Sefton MBC - UTC 7th Floor Balliol House Balliol Road Bootle L20 3NJ <>This message is intended for named addressees only and may contain confidential, privileged or commercially sensitive information. If you are not a named addressee and this message has come to you in error you must not copy, distribute or take any action on its content. Please return the message to the sender by replying to it immediately and then delete it from your computer and destroy any copies of it. This message does not create or vary any contractual relationship between Sefton Metropolitan Borough Council and you. Internet e-mail is not a 100% secure communication medium and Sefton Metropolitan Borough Council does not accept responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. Whilst all reasonable care has been taken to ensure that this message is virus-free, it is the recipient's responsibility to carry out virus checks as appropriate and ensure that the onward transmission, opening or use of this message and any attachments will not adversely affect their systems or data. Sefton Metropolitan Borough Council does not accept any responsibility in this regard." ----------------------------------------------------------- A message from the TCUG mailing list. For information about the list visit //www.freelists.org/webpage/tcug