[TCUG] Re: 'One-Can' Crossings
- From: "Tassell, Dave (Environmental Services)" <DTassell@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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- Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:03:08 +0100
We also install one-cans and have been for many years but we have named them
"PCCs" Pedestrian Controlled Crossings.
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> Subject: [TCUG] Re: 'One-Can' Crossings
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> Yes we are, and in fact have been since long before the pelican came out
> in
> 1969! There is in fact nothing new about them (except the name - which of
> course started out fairly recently as a joke!).
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> They use the standard signal sequence to traffic, and the standard
> far-side
> sequence to peds (as given in TSR&GD), so as I see it they are perfectly
> legal and do not require authorisation. Theoretically, you might violate
> the on-crossing detector spec if you were to use these (on anything other
> than Puffin & Toucan), but if you use fixed clearances you should be OK.
> Having said that, from a discussion had with Suku from DfT last week, it
> would appear that the main reason for us (Leeds) making extensive use of
> One-cans rather than Puffins in our city centre (namely: excessive timing
> variability which works to no-ones advantage in UTC situations) is under
> serious review - there appears to be a good chance that we be given advice
> (in the form a TAL) which allows us to substantially reduce the
> variability
> (i.e. clearances after green man down to something more like 'width / 1.2'
> rather than those given in TAL2/95). So watch this space!
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> Mervyn
> Leeds 2466750
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> Can anyone tell me whether they are using the 'One-can' crossing, i.e. a
> Toucan crossing without the Cycle aspect? Are they legal and/or was
> approval required?
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> Ian Ellis
> Plymouth City Council
> 01752 307801
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